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Jun 19 2011 04:41pm
Almost everybody knows that jewels with +ED% and +MIN or +MAX or both of them are bugged.
Many know how the bug works.
But only a few know the true exent of the bug and some spread bullshit around thinking it to be the truth.

Since i'm one of the few who know the full extent of how the bug works i finally decided to make an exhaustive guide.

THE BUG ITSELF
(if you are familiar with the basics you can skip that part)

When a jewel has +X% Enhanced Damage and +Y to Minimum Damage or +Z to Maximum Damage or +X-Z to Damage (both of them), the Enhanced Damage won't work properly if you put the jewel into anything but a weapon.
If you socket a jewel with +X%ED and +Y MIN in a Helm/Armor/Shield the Minimum Damage will work properly, but the Enhanced Damage of the jewel will be applied only on the Maximum Damage.
If you socket a jewel with +X%ED and +Y MAX in a Helm/Armor/Shield the Minimum Damage will work properly, but the Enhanced Damage of the jewel will be applied only on the Minimum Damage.
If you socket a jewel with +X%ED and +Y-Z Damage in a Helm/Armor/Shield the Minimum Damage will work properly, but the Enhanced Damage of the jewel won't work at all.

So a perfect jewel with +40%ED +15MAX in a Helm/Armor/Shield would give you +40% Enhanced Minimum Damage +15 to Maximum Damage.
And a perfect jewel with +40%ED +10MIN in a Helm/Armor/Shield would give you +40% Enhanced Maximum Damage +10 to Minimum Damage.
And a godly rare jewel with +30%ED +10-18 Damage in a Helm/Armor/Shield would give you just +10-18 Damage.


TRUTHS AND MYTHS
(the interesting part)

Q: Is the bug just on the character screen, like grief damage, or is it for real?
A: Sadly it is for real.

Q: If i put a jewel with Min/Max in a Helm/Armor/Shield that has native Enhanced Damage, like a paladin shield or a circlet, will the native Enhanced Damage be Ruined?
A: No, it won't. You can socket Min/Max jewels in items with native ED and everything will work fine.

Q: If i put a bugged jewel with ED/Min or ED/Max in a Helm/Armor/Shield that has native Enhanced Damage, like a paladin shield or a circlet, will the native Enhanced Damage be Ruined?
A: No, it won't. Only the ED on the bugged jewel will be ruined, the native ED will work fine.

Q: If i mix jewels with ED and jewels with Min/Max in a Helm/Armor/Shield will the ED be ruined?
A: No, it won't.

Q: If i put jewels with ed in a Helm/Armor/Shield with native Min/Max Damage, will the ED be ruined?
A: Yes, it will.

Q: Anything else i should know?
A: Well i noticed that for assassin's kick damage the ED of ED/Min bugged jewels will work fine for both Min and Max Kick Damage and the ED of ED/Max bugged jewels won't work at all for Kick Damage. Maybe a LLD kicker player will be interested in this information.

Q: How did you find out all of this?
A: By Testing with Hero Editor.


THE END

This post was edited by Zave on Jun 19 2011 05:02pm
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Jun 19 2011 05:13pm
if you google it, you'll find a site that lists every combination of ed/min/max jewels and items and says which are problematic
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Jun 19 2011 05:15pm
Quote (carteblanche @ 20 Jun 2011 01:13)
if you google it, you'll find a site that lists every combination of ed/min/max jewels and items and says which are problematic


damn, i took the effort for naught then. :(
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Jun 19 2011 05:48pm
Just don't mix. Hey, leave that African girl alone, will you?
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Jun 19 2011 05:54pm
Quote (Zave @ Jun 19 2011 07:15pm)
damn, i took the effort for naught then. :(


not only that, but half your shit is wrong

if you put an ed/+dmg jewel in a pala shield w/ base ed, it will bug the base ed as well as the jewel ed

if you put one ed jewel and one dmg jewel in an armor piece (with native ed or without) it will bug just the same as if you'd put a single jewel with ed/dmg in the item

if you put a jewel with ed in something with base +damage, it wont bug out.
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Jun 19 2011 05:56pm
Quote (bigspot_05 @ Jun 19 2011 06:54pm)
if you put one ed jewel and one dmg jewel in an armor piece (with native ed or without) it will bug just the same as if you'd put a single jewel with ed/dmg in the item

I was told I was wrong when I said putting ED with min/max jewels in anything but weapons will bug them.
http://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=55745907&f=87

This post was edited by L4d on Jun 19 2011 05:57pm
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well i made some more testing and it seems that if you put ed before max there is no bug, but if you put max before ed the ed of the jewels after the one with max damage will be bugged.
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Jun 19 2011 06:01pm
Quote (Zave @ Jun 19 2011 08:00pm)
well i made some more testing and it seems that if you put ed before max there is no bug, but if you put max before ed the ed of the jewels after the one with max damage will be bugged.


refer to case 2 of the topic he linked

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This applies to any non-weapon item:

Case 1: Item has innate %ED. You socket with a +Max or +Min Jewel. No bug.

Case 2: You socket an item with a %ED Jewel. Then you socket with +Max or +Min Jewel. No bug.

Case 3: Item has innate +Max. You socket with a +%ED Jewel. The %ED only applies to minimum, not maximum.

Case 4: Item has innate +Min. You socket with a +%ED Jewel. The %ED only applies to maximum, not minimum.

Case 5: You socket item with a +Max Jewel, then you socket with a +%ED Jewel. The %ED only applies to minimum, not maximum.

Case 6: You socket item with a +Min Jewel, then you socket with a +%ED Jewel. The %ED only applies to maximum, not minimum.

Case 7: You socket an item with a %ED/Max Jewel. The %ED only applies to minimum, not maximum.

Case 8: You socket an item with a %ED/Min Jewel. The %ED only applies to maximum, not minimum.

Case 9: You socket an item with a %ED/Min/Max Jewel. The %ED applies to neither.
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Jun 19 2011 06:02pm
yup, the tests i did were not this extensive and i didn't know of that one so this has no meaning anymore.
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Jun 19 2011 06:11pm
Anyway u can allways check what gives the most damage between a 40 Ed 9 dex / str jewel and a 30 max jewel. Same goes to 15max/15ias and 40ed/15ias. And by checking I mean add all Ed sources and +min/max and calculate which gives the most damage. Generally the pure Ed wins but there's some cases like fury Druids swinging a 1hander and hc pk berz barbs benefit more from +max jewel.

To the point; why bother mixing? Rare jewels just don't work on armors. The end.

This post was edited by lifo2 on Jun 19 2011 06:12pm
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