Hello,
I need advice about hvh setups

It seems clear that circlet's setup is the best, after viewing different topics, but I'm not sure that's worth it and that's is really true

let me explain :

1/ circlet setup :
circlet 2 20 60 jahjah
amu 2 20 60
eni
hoto
sop
bk x 2
arach
ww
bloodfist

total hp if everything is perfect = 5360

2/ shaco setup :
shaco jah
amu 2 20 60
eni
hoto
sop
2 x bk
arach
trang oul
shadow dancer

total hp if everything perf is = 5250

damage of both setups, for 2 hammers, are the same : 5400 average dmg 5380 lowest 5420 highest
hammer lvl48: 3814+3841=7655/2= 3827,5 (average damage)
3827,5 % 315 (concentration lvl39) = 12056.625 + 3827,5 (base hammer) = 15884.125 % 17 (pvp penalty) = 2700,30125 dmg for one hammer, so 2 hammers = 5400,6025

SO with both setups you die with 2 hammers (3 if oak up)
the 100 hp difference between the 2 setup are pointless (even vs nec btw)

So can you explain me why circlet is suppose to be the best setup, because I don't get it..

I found also about 10 fcr amu 80 hp for the circlet setup(because the first setup you have 135fcr), with these you can reach 539X life so maybe you can tank 2 low damage hammers but you have like 15-20 hp left, the opponent have just to foh you one time, it's not like he needs to hit you with a 3rd hammer..
Same if you add fhr on circlet (even if it doesn't exist in europe) (+amu80 life) after two low hammers you have like 40-50 hp, opponent can finish you with foh easily.. (tell me if I'm wrong)

The only thing I find interesting on circlet could be frw, but if you want to str bug, the 3 suffixes on diadem are 20 fcr, life and frw (instead of str),
so you have to use bug belt(15str+ amu 60 life 2X str) + trang oul(fcr), and shadow dancer(fhr) bc you loose arach + bloodfist, so your total hp drop to 5170, same as other setups 2 hits = death but you have +30 frw.

To my mind it is maybe the best setup bc of the +30 frw but there is not a big gap with the shaco setup.. and frw is not that must have on pala even if its not worthless

Let me know what you think about this, I need many advices

This post was edited by Bouli88 on Jun 30 2025 06:34am

u right

circ frw best option

outrun spirits and more life iz better cuz sometimes nec do teeth then more life halps

ty for answer

so frw circlet is a real bonus for pala

and what about strenght bug, fcr desynch.. ? Is it a must have too for hvh or hvn ?
Because I saw a lot of build with a bp eni in stash for hvh, so no str bug... maybe because it's expensive to invest into a str life amu.. I dunno

having str bug, imo, is a good thing but your life drop from 5350-5390 to 5160-5170 so about 200 hp lost

for me the two best stuff with str bug + frw circlet are the following :

1/
circlet frw
amu 10 fcr 80 life str(23 mini) frw
hoto
eni
sop
trang
2x bk
bb (for 15str + skill)
shadowdancer

5170 hp

2/
circlet frw
scepter 2pala 3conc 3 hammer 10 fcr 2 os (1 jwl 20life/mana 1 jwl 9 str 8 life 7 fhr add)
amu 2 20 29 str 60 life
sop
trang
arach
bk
nature peace
shadow dancer

5120 hp

both setup are under 5200 hp, fist setup with hoto has 50 hp more but scepter setup has 5624 dmg for 2hammers ... so even hammer build close to 5400 hp die EVERYTIME in 2 hits (if no oak) no need to finish them with foh if they get hit by two low hammers

for me scepter build with frw circlet and str bug is the best but I'm not sure

so my question is what is the best setup :

1/frw circlet, str bug, hoto 5170 hp, 5400 dmg 2 average hammers

2/frw circlet, str bug, scepter 5120 hp, 5624 dmg for two average hammers

3/frw circlet, NO STR BUG, , 5350-5390 hp, 5400 dmg 2 average hammers

for me it's number 2, bc str bug + frw circlet and 2 hits kills everytime (if no oak)

This post was edited by Bouli88 on Jul 1 2025 05:06pm

the amu on setup #1 doesnt exist i think but theoretically its a great option

#2 im not a Fan of cuz i dont like scepters, just a personal preference

#3 is what im using (no frw) cuz its p straight forward and i like simple setups that work

ok, but you recommand frw circlet

and for you str bug for this duel is useless ?

Ur circ build allows for str bug but ur shako build doesn’t

Using ur second build basically means u have no str bug in other setups also

Circ best build vs hammer/nec. Best is also 2/10/str/life amu as nn 20fcr

This post was edited by parker84 on Jul 1 2025 07:48pm

indeed if you want str bug/fcr desynch with shako build you have to remove one bk for one fcr ring, I don't list it bc you lost 1 skill so many dmg but :
shako jah
hoto
amu 20 60 str
eni
sop
arach
bk
fcr str 60
ww
blood fist

high hp = 5416 but 2 hammers = 5168 dmg (average) but 3 hits to kill other hammer not worth, even if you tank more than 2 hits, your rest hp will be very low, under 50hp, so foh can finish you

SO if I follow you and I keep str bug + frw circlet, which are suppose to be the best, my choice is between this two setups :

1/
circlet frw
amu 10 fcr 80 life str(23 mini) frw
hoto
eni
sop
trang
2x bk
bb (for 15str + skill)
shadowdancer

5190 hp, 5400 dmg 2 average hammers

2/
circlet frw
scepter 2pala 3conc 3 hammer 10 fcr 2 os (1 jwl 20life/mana 1 jwl 9 str 8 life 7 fhr add (for sc 20 life instead of fhr))
amu 2 20 29 str 60 life
sop
trang
arach
bk
nature peace
shadow dancer

5120 hp 5624 dmg for two average hammers

But I see many ppl, not only mundL, said that they don't like scepter but I don't get it bc here is the difference between the 2 setups :
hoto + 50-70 hp but still under 5200 hp so you die in 2 hits (no oak) vs scepter, you die in 2 hits too (5120 hp) but you kill every hammerdin in two hits (5624 dmg) no need to foh to finish them,
which can be cool if its a retard joder out of your screen and that you did not notice he is low hp,
or if we both get hit in the same time, it's better to have a double kill (draw) than the ennemy with no str bug or no frw circlet but more life (5390 hp) or the shako str bug (5416 hp) survives,
+ I did not mention life rep too if long duel, scepter still 2 hits while hoto it's not sure

but the only thing hoto bring you is a better fcr desynch 40 vs 10 (if cadeceus or divine scepter)
so for me the decision is between better fcr desynch vs 2 hits everytime everyhammerdins

This post was edited by Bouli88 on Jul 2 2025 03:29am

first setup better. oak is always nice and a must vs nec(my bad i didnt see natures)

str bug always in pvp


hvh is kinda gay duel imo

This post was edited by parker84 on Jul 2 2025 03:40am

with scepter I have nature peace so oak too, all my calculation about scepter are with nature peace

ok so I keep str bug and frw on circlet, ty for sharing your pov

but I have to make a choose about scepter vs hoto
kinda sad if you have top build and loose vs a shako fcr ring str bug bc he can tank more than 2 hits and not you... or because of long duel life rep that make him tank more than 2 hits..

Imo I go on scepter bc of this, it always two hits if oak down, but I wait for more advice

and you are right it's a gay duel, but maybe I try to make the gayest pala

This post was edited by Bouli88 on Jul 2 2025 03:40am

I bet it does exist. The 2nd roll could just be 12 magic find.

If we’re talking hvh on LOD.

Shako (jah)
2/20/60hp amulet
Spirit of Phoenix
2 pal/10fcr/3hammer/3conc/2soc (2x 20life/15 all res — or 20life/20mana)
2x fcr ring 10fcr/60life any other adds are a plus
Arachnid
Trang
Waterwalks 65 life

Use pcomb fhrs and 1-2 5fhr sc to hit 86 fhr

If you want to use natures to use oak you’ll have to use a circ because you cant hit 125 fcr with scepter/natures without it.

3 hammer/3conc fortitude weapon is really solid too. Gives you alot of hp to make up for using a circlet too.

This post was edited by straightedgerevenge on Jul 2 2025 03:42am