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Oct 24 2024 08:19am
I am posting my build as example :
Also not sure where to go from here …
Mainhand: 5%amp, 30 ias, 295ed,fools, 1-10light, 6psn over 2scnds erh(zod) runic talons
Griffons (15 ias 8 max)
Ammy: 2 sin , 17fcr, 20 Dex, 16 mana, 10 reg, 10 @
Offhand: Chaos in 3 ls 3 df 3bs runic talons
Gore riders
Rings : 1. 10 fcr, 117 at, 20 str, 34 life, 53 mana, 15light res
2. 10 fcr, 20 ar , 12 dex, 8 rep, 19 mana, 14 light res
Arachnid
Trangs
Inv:
Shadow 45ers x8
Max ar life scs
Cube:
5 5 venom fade plagues x 2
Soj 2x
3shadow Str ammy

Skill distribution:
Max traps
Max claw mastery
4 pts fade (puts me ar 42 dr without ber in helm)
2 pts weapon block (puts me at 58 ctb)
Rest into venom
Feel free to correct my mistakes 😅
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Oct 24 2024 09:29am
Correction : 5 pts weapon block for 60 ctb with shadows
2 pts fade for 42 with shadow
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Oct 24 2024 03:19pm
in 102 setup, you get very little value from a claw with ED on it.
a fools greater talon of quickness wiht 2 socket and 3 LS is substationally better than the runic talon you are using.

You won't ever be using dragon flight so that is a wasted skill on your chaos. would suggest 3ls/3mb/1-3bs Greater talon. you will want 2x of these. 1x with 2x Um in it and then your other with a 15ias/15res jewel + Um in it. Details below on when to use each.
then since dancers gives you enough dex to use greater talons, you dont need dex on your ring or amulet, therefore, can change your ring and ammy to a combo of str, life and life rep based on what your budget allows. Ring #1 you have is a pretty good budget ring and you will be hard pressed to find much better for anything in a responable price range.
i wouldnt max claw mastery, instead would max mind blast. This makes your shadow master cast mind blast more often and at a higher level. This is primarily now to stop your opponents approach while they try to telestomp you, thus saving you from getting hit while also serving as a way to deal more damage and keep MB stun on them for longer.
I would have a 15ias griffon and a cham griffon. when using cham griffon, you will use your fool gt of q with 1x um and 1x 15ias jewel. when using burst of speed, such as vs. necs, you will use your Um Um one. This enables you to have max trap speed when using the cham griffon and then max trap speed when using Burst of speed.

the rest looks directionally correct for 102 setup

for your 65 setup, which you will use primairly in ww sin vs ww sin, you will want something like:
highlords
raven frost
10fcr/ar/str dex or life/mana/resist ring
trang
gore riders
arach
2sin/20fcr/2os circlet (ideally with a comboination of str,dex,visionary,attack rating,life,frw). this will usually have 2x, 40ed/15ias jewels in it

your claws in your 65fcr setup is where it starts to get complex based on your budget. But even the claw you have above isn't particuarly good for your 65fcr setup as you can't Um rune it, making, in your situation, the fools gt of quikcness wiht 3ls and 2 socket better for 65fcr setup then the claw you already have.

Unforuntantly, guides dont do a good job of explaining what is a good hybrid claw and then how you build around it. Mostly because people are dumb and dont know what they are talking about but also because how you build your hybrid is entirely dependent on how much fg/$ you are willing to spend.
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Oct 24 2024 04:09pm
Quote (CoooleyNeedsRogaine @ Oct 24 2024 05:19pm)
in 102 setup, you get very little value from a claw with ED on it.
a fools greater talon of quickness wiht 2 socket and 3 LS is substationally better than the runic talon you are using.

You won't ever be using dragon flight so that is a wasted skill on your chaos. would suggest 3ls/3mb/1-3bs Greater talon. you will want 2x of these. 1x with 2x Um in it and then your other with a 15ias/15res jewel + Um in it. Details below on when to use each.
then since dancers gives you enough dex to use greater talons, you dont need dex on your ring or amulet, therefore, can change your ring and ammy to a combo of str, life and life rep based on what your budget allows. Ring #1 you have is a pretty good budget ring and you will be hard pressed to find much better for anything in a responable price range.
i wouldnt max claw mastery, instead would max mind blast. This makes your shadow master cast mind blast more often and at a higher level. This is primarily now to stop your opponents approach while they try to telestomp you, thus saving you from getting hit while also serving as a way to deal more damage and keep MB stun on them for longer.
I would have a 15ias griffon and a cham griffon. when using cham griffon, you will use your fool gt of q with 1x um and 1x 15ias jewel. when using burst of speed, such as vs. necs, you will use your Um Um one. This enables you to have max trap speed when using the cham griffon and then max trap speed when using Burst of speed.

the rest looks directionally correct for 102 setup

for your 65 setup, which you will use primairly in ww sin vs ww sin, you will want something like:
highlords
raven frost
10fcr/ar/str dex or life/mana/resist ring
trang
gore riders
arach
2sin/20fcr/2os circlet (ideally with a comboination of str,dex,visionary,attack rating,life,frw). this will usually have 2x, 40ed/15ias jewels in it

your claws in your 65fcr setup is where it starts to get complex based on your budget. But even the claw you have above isn't particuarly good for your 65fcr setup as you can't Um rune it, making, in your situation, the fools gt of quikcness wiht 3ls and 2 socket better for 65fcr setup then the claw you already have.

Unforuntantly, guides dont do a good job of explaining what is a good hybrid claw and then how you build around it. Mostly because people are dumb and dont know what they are talking about but also because how you build your hybrid is entirely dependent on how much fg/$ you are willing to spend.


This guy knows what hes talking about :thumbsup:
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Oct 25 2024 04:11am
Quote (CoooleyNeedsRogaine @ Oct 24 2024 11:19pm)
in 102 setup, you get very little value from a claw with ED on it.
a fools greater talon of quickness wiht 2 socket and 3 LS is substationally better than the runic talon you are using.

You won't ever be using dragon flight so that is a wasted skill on your chaos. would suggest 3ls/3mb/1-3bs Greater talon. you will want 2x of these. 1x with 2x Um in it and then your other with a 15ias/15res jewel + Um in it. Details below on when to use each.
then since dancers gives you enough dex to use greater talons, you dont need dex on your ring or amulet, therefore, can change your ring and ammy to a combo of str, life and life rep based on what your budget allows. Ring #1 you have is a pretty good budget ring and you will be hard pressed to find much better for anything in a responable price range.
i wouldnt max claw mastery, instead would max mind blast. This makes your shadow master cast mind blast more often and at a higher level. This is primarily now to stop your opponents approach while they try to telestomp you, thus saving you from getting hit while also serving as a way to deal more damage and keep MB stun on them for longer.
I would have a 15ias griffon and a cham griffon. when using cham griffon, you will use your fool gt of q with 1x um and 1x 15ias jewel. when using burst of speed, such as vs. necs, you will use your Um Um one. This enables you to have max trap speed when using the cham griffon and then max trap speed when using Burst of speed.

the rest looks directionally correct for 102 setup

for your 65 setup, which you will use primairly in ww sin vs ww sin, you will want something like:
highlords
raven frost
10fcr/ar/str dex or life/mana/resist ring
trang
gore riders
arach
2sin/20fcr/2os circlet (ideally with a comboination of str,dex,visionary,attack rating,life,frw). this will usually have 2x, 40ed/15ias jewels in it

your claws in your 65fcr setup is where it starts to get complex based on your budget. But even the claw you have above isn't particuarly good for your 65fcr setup as you can't Um rune it, making, in your situation, the fools gt of quikcness wiht 3ls and 2 socket better for 65fcr setup then the claw you already have.

Unforuntantly, guides dont do a good job of explaining what is a good hybrid claw and then how you build around it. Mostly because people are dumb and dont know what they are talking about but also because how you build your hybrid is entirely dependent on how much fg/$ you are willing to spend.


Ty for the advice ! I got a another claw : 2 assasin 30 ias 28 ed 3 max fools 1 venom 3 dragon flight socketed with um would you consider it useable ?
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Oct 25 2024 05:11am
Quote (xfx_riha @ Oct 25 2024 12:11pm)
Ty for the advice ! I got a another claw : 2 assasin 30 ias 28 ed 3 max fools 1 venom 3 dragon flight socketed with um would you consider it useable ?


Is better, but ideally you should try:
2sin/40ias/fool's/2soc/3ls adds but those may be exspensive...

5ctc amp is a nice add for when dragon talon kicks are used, but is really only usefull if its 2 free soc for 2 x BER rune. Urs is what i would call 0 sox due to Zod rune.

People that play hybridsins defansive often prefer UM rune, meanwhile hyper agressive players usually have most effect of BER rune im main claw.
BERLO is my prefered choice for high damage claws and BERBER for low damage claws. BERUM and UMUM is choices as well, but not for me. Also depends if ur running gores or not.

This post was edited by gel87 on Oct 25 2024 05:13am
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Oct 25 2024 05:46am
Quote (gel87 @ Oct 25 2024 01:11pm)
Is better, but ideally you should try:
2sin/40ias/fool's/2soc/3ls adds but those may be exspensive...

5ctc amp is a nice add for when dragon talon kicks are used, but is really only usefull if its 2 free soc for 2 x BER rune. Urs is what i would call 0 sox due to Zod rune.

People that play hybridsins defansive often prefer UM rune, meanwhile hyper agressive players usually have most effect of BER rune im main claw.
BERLO is my prefered choice for high damage claws and BERBER for low damage claws. BERUM and UMUM is choices as well, but not for me. Also depends if ur running gores or not.


Thank you for the advice 🙏🏻
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Oct 25 2024 05:58am
Quote (xfx_riha @ Oct 25 2024 12:11pm)
Ty for the advice ! I got a another claw : 2 assasin 30 ias 28 ed 3 max fools 1 venom 3 dragon flight socketed with um would you consider it useable ?


So you would go for Bp in fade and weapon block , max mind blast remaining points into venom ?
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