Quote (Stefbef @ Aug 14 2024 03:16am)

Doesn’t work anymore since blizzard ruined bear attack speed frames

It was already Mediocre before, now it has both nerfed damage and nerfed speed

Quote (mcslammertime @ Aug 14 2024 09:17pm)

Wait, really?

I was considering trying to make a fire claw druid soon, maybe some kinda gimmicky aldurs build, what is wrong with werebear nowadays? I have been out of the loop for a while.

Quote (mcslammertime @ 14 Aug 2024 21:17)

Wait, really?

I was considering trying to make a fire claw druid soon, maybe some kinda gimmicky aldurs build, what is wrong with werebear nowadays? I have been out of the loop for a while.

Quote (Stefbef @ Aug 14 2024 03:21pm)

im not entirely sure but they messed around with the synergies a bit and changed the base damage

afaik back in the day you could get like 20k fireclaw dmg and 5.0 hits per second (if not more)

nowadays (iirc, this is from memory) you can maybe get 13k dmg at most and looks like even with burst of speed, mark of the bear AND fanatism you can still not get over 7 fpa (3,57 hits per second)

but even 3.57 hits per second is really hard to achieve with an infinity merc so yeah



if you want a fun druid build i recommend something like a chance to hit fury druid

those can hit really fast, it has quite a lot of varieties and is quite strong for p1-p5

theres a few options like:

- hurricane frozen orb fury druid (rift scepter procs more than 1 frozen orb per second, and you use cold % dmg gear for both hurricane and frozen orb)
- armegeddon fissure proc fury druid (ethereal earthshifter zod to proc fissures and use armegeddon)
- stormlash static/tornado proc druid with hurricane and infinity merc
- double phoenix or phoenix + destruction phase blade firestorm proc fury druid with armegeddon
- twister proc druid with eth windhammer zod and hurricane (with 2x carrion wind ring you'll have 49% chance to proc twister on every attack at like 6,57 attacks per second, so like 3+ twister procs per second which just perma stuns everything) + hurricane

on any of these you could use 2x carrion wind for twister procs for stun :)

lmk if you're interested in any specific one and i could probably put something together in the charplanner for ya

Quote (gel87 @ Aug 15 2024 05:16am)

They are now according to blizzard: «a slow utstoppable force»
Meaning that fireclaw has just the same damage as in d2lod, the werebear is just 4-6 frames slower.

So instead of having 19k fireclaw at 4fpa
You can now have 19k fireclaw at 9 fpa.

Quote (mcslammertime @ Aug 14 2024 03:17pm)

Wait, really?

I was considering trying to make a fire claw druid soon, maybe some kinda gimmicky aldurs build, what is wrong with werebear nowadays? I have been out of the loop for a while.

Quote (Tarisus @ Aug 14 2024 09:32pm)

In D2lod, Druid Bears hit 4, 5, 6 and 7 with most his weapons. In D2r, they included gear ias but now can only hit 7, 8 and 9fpa. Generally, as others have said, it’s better to have faster and weaker hits than slower and harder Hits simply because that way there’s less chance of “overkilling” which wastes damage. But this build can still work well, just sorc and pal bears were nerfed hard.

If you were to use Grief PB with Phoenix, you can hit 7 fpa after 9 stacks of Maul with Hustle/Lawbringer merc plus mark of Bear. Overall DPS of this build hits harder than Lod counterparts(maybe not all weaps).

They buffed Fireclaws base damage by 75% but removed 2 synergies so you can invest in Lycan and Werebear, imo maul takes too long to stack to full.

Stack as much as +skill and shapeshift GCs, you’ll hit like a truck.

PS. Some weapons are still able to hit 6fpa, gotta play around with calculator.

Quote (gel87 @ Aug 14 2024 03:16pm)

They are now according to blizzard: «a slow utstoppable force»
Meaning that fireclaw has just the same damage as in d2lod, the werebear is just 4-6 frames slower.

So instead of having 19k fireclaw at 4fpa
You can now have 19k fireclaw at 9 fpa.

Quote (Stefbef @ Aug 14 2024 03:21pm)

im not entirely sure but they messed around with the synergies a bit and changed the base damage

afaik back in the day you could get like 20k fireclaw dmg and 5.0 hits per second (if not more)

nowadays (iirc, this is from memory) you can maybe get 13k dmg at most and looks like even with burst of speed, mark of the bear AND fanatism you can still not get over 7 fpa (3,57 hits per second)

but even 3.57 hits per second is really hard to achieve with an infinity merc so yeah



if you want a fun druid build i recommend something like a chance to hit fury druid

those can hit really fast, it has quite a lot of varieties and is quite strong for p1-p5

theres a few options like:

- hurricane frozen orb fury druid (rift scepter procs more than 1 frozen orb per second, and you use cold % dmg gear for both hurricane and frozen orb)
- armegeddon fissure proc fury druid (ethereal earthshifter zod to proc fissures and use armegeddon)
- stormlash static/tornado proc druid with hurricane and infinity merc
- double phoenix or phoenix + destruction phase blade firestorm proc fury druid with armegeddon
- twister proc druid with eth windhammer zod and hurricane (with 2x carrion wind ring you'll have 49% chance to proc twister on every attack at like 6,57 attacks per second, so like 3+ twister procs per second which just perma stuns everything) + hurricane

on any of these you could use 2x carrion wind for twister procs for stun :)

lmk if you're interested in any specific one and i could probably put something together in the charplanner for ya