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Aug 18 2023 12:05pm
thinking about 4x 40-15 in jstod for smiter, half dmg but the block chance is gg
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Aug 18 2023 11:08pm
Phoenix still wins. Tried many different combos all of them lose to Phoenix
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Aug 19 2023 09:04am
Phoenix best.

We used jstod etc when firestorm was slowing us down.
Then we used something along the line of 4x 30ed/9str/7fhr/30lr
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Aug 19 2023 01:07pm
Quote (Thesorceress @ Aug 18 2023 01:05pm)
thinking about 4x 40-15 in jstod for smiter, half dmg but the block chance is gg


A Phoenix is not the best, it’s what randoms use.

They literally all have the same build besides like the boots, gloves and maybe a ring.

They are limited to 18k defense 3500 foh dmg and 30 fcr. If they go any more fcr they become very weak with less dr or Cb and life.

The Phoenix damage is around 80-100% Ed more than any other setup but if you’re smart you can use a better base that they cannot use and have higher life than them 600+ more.

They are hitting at like 100+ damage per hit more on average.

I’m not gonna tell you how to do it, but it can be done.

And technically the Phoenix shield does an extreme amount of fire damage due to the changes in fire damage, pretty much 2x 08 torches boosted so yes gel is right you need 27 fhr.

Signing out~

This post was edited by Nataraja on Aug 19 2023 01:15pm
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Aug 19 2023 02:45pm
I tried both knight modded phoenix outperformed 100% of the time
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Quote (Nataraja @ Aug 19 2023 09:07pm)
A Phoenix is not the best, it’s what randoms use.

They literally all have the same build besides like the boots, gloves and maybe a ring.

They are limited to 18k defense 3500 foh dmg and 30 fcr. If they go any more fcr they become very weak with less dr or Cb and life.

The Phoenix damage is around 80-100% Ed more than any other setup but if you’re smart you can use a better base that they cannot use and have higher life than them 600+ more.

They are hitting at like 100+ damage per hit more on average.

I’m not gonna tell you how to do it, but it can be done.

And technically the Phoenix shield does an extreme amount of fire damage due to the changes in fire damage, pretty much 2x 08 torches boosted so yes gel is right you need 27 fhr.

Signing out~


sincerely, a 0-50 rand pub smiter
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Quote (Dolphy @ Aug 21 2023 05:42am)
sincerely, a 0-50 rand pub smiter


You can’t even comprehend how I build smiters because it’s beyond any guide and knowledge you’ve ever learned.

Your lack of creativity will leave you dead in front of me for years to come.
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Aug 21 2023 10:30am
Quote (Nataraja @ 21 Aug 2023 14:24)
You can’t even comprehend how I build smiters because it’s beyond any guide and knowledge you’ve ever learned.

Your lack of creativity will leave you dead in front of me for years to come.


sorry to say but smite science is well known dude.
a lot of math passed on this forum: if you're winning using another build, you're just duelling tards without hands.
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Aug 21 2023 10:37am
Quote (attila @ Aug 21 2023 11:30am)
sorry to say but smite science is well known dude.
a lot of math passed on this forum: if you're winning using another build, you're just duelling tards without hands.


I walked blood Moore and went 58-0 walk smite, and I’m actually 59-0 because I had Matt “smoothg” on my old walker and I beat myself by 300 life.

The problem is I do have hands, the best hands and when I go full throttle you guys give up so I only play to how good you are. These are facts, that’s why you guys close the chaos games when I come because you cannot believe what your eyes are seeing.

I slow down time and I will always be the best. You mortals have nothing on me. Nothing but food.
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Aug 21 2023 10:39am
Quote (Nataraja @ 21 Aug 2023 17:37)
I walked blood Moore and went 58-0 walk smite, and I’m actually 59-0 because I had Matt “smoothg” on my old walker and I beat myself by 300 life.

The problem is I do have hands, the best hands and when I go full throttle you guys give up so I only play to how good you are. These are facts, that’s why you guys close the chaos games when I come because you cannot believe what your eyes are seeing.

I slow down time and I will always be the best. You mortals have nothing on me. Nothing but food.


Based on your feedback, prolly it's just that a 2021 has a different idea of "decent players"
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