I am interested to hear opinions on the Javazon with the addition of sunders and their efficacy at clear speed in player vs monster.

A couple people said thunderstrokes were meta and better than 40ias javelins, specifically 6/40s.

I only play 95 ias javazon, since the first time I ever used this breakpoint I cannot stand to play her at any other speed. I will even level a zon to 90 and let her sit for months until I find the 40ias javelins.

Is it really true thunder strokes are better at general pvm than 40ias javelins (95 ias breakpoint javazon)

I currently have a 12 bolt 10.2k dmg charged strike (missing 3 levels of synergies still). I can kill diablo clone in mere seconds.

I am having a hard time believing that thunderstrokes and a lesser ias breakpoint can be better than my version of zon

I only play hardcore so some cheesy setup with no resistances and a weird shield or helm stuffed full of ias jewels are not a feasible option, as it stands I barely have manageable resistances using sunder and my current setup, my killspeed IS my survivability.

I also had someone tell me their java with titans is better too, but I dont believe them either. for either mob clearing or bossing..


I will list my gearset and if you think this t strokes idea is truly better please tell me how and what to wear if its true. I wont rush out to buy it, but I also just don't believe this to be true.

Griffons 19/14 with 15 ias 28lit res ambergris jew
5/40s
highlords
spirit
arach
soj
raven 20 dex
2/20 gloves 9 str 9dex 16 fire res
aldurs
life\res scs
lifer gcs

your setup does not list an armor, i guess enigma?

Yes, although I expect that to be typical, although that was an oversight.

Merc positioning without is borderline unbearable lol

Maybe you personally like the speed and prefer to overpay for 6/40s. There is nothing wrong with that (except for the extra cost of said 6/40). It's like driving a Rolls-Royce when a Mercedes E-class would also do the job. Most people nowadays are using TStrokes (as I've said) because they are super cheap for what they deliver (GG damage thanks to -res, which became more important once Sunder Charms were introduced). With Sunder Charms, you no longer need physical damage, which eth Titan's used to provide. A 6/40 is another great option that performs slightly worse than Tstroke against light immune enemies (missing that -res mod).

That's my analysis. If you need another perspective, the D2R Discussion forum is much more active: https://forums.d2jsp.org/forum.php?f=148

This post was edited by Ashirgo on Aug 14 2023 06:39am

trash build

95 ias is never worth it on a pvm zon. your clear speed is not determined by how quick you can spam javs since you're already killing stuff in one to three throws. you preferring it just tells us that you're not interested in optimization, and in that case there's really no use to give you proper advice. I'll waste my time anyway since I'm a good boy

bis pvm zon - 55 ias 99 fcr
4/40 inc stack rep with ml or maek
griffon ias maek
eni
spirit
trangs or mages
razortail (non-negotiable on ANY pvm java build)
silks, aldurs or rares
2/19+ fcr amu
raven + soj/bk

#2 build if you can't find a 50k fg rare javelin - 55 ias 68 fcr:
tstrokes/eupg titan
griffon 5-5/ias maek
eni
spirit
2/20 ml gloves
razortail (still non-negotiable on ANY pvm java build)
silks, aldurs or rares
hl
raven + fcr ml mana ring

you're welcome

Also this

Razortail overrated af except vs cows imo. You’ll have about 80% pierce without so you’re really only making a big difference if you’re lining up 3-4 enemies+ in a row which isn’t going to happen a lot in many areas and even in high density areas you’re going to obliterate everything anyways. Better off with more fcr skills and mana from arach.

TLDR razor makes you stronger in situations where you’re already op thus making it redundant. Arach is good in every situation

You seem a little aggressive lol, also razortail is really not good at all for javazon.

I don't use the ias breakpoint for spamming javs, I dont have too. I tele near a mob pack, wait for conviction, throw ONE maybe two javs, and charged strike the remainders while pathing towards the next area im routing to. With the 95 ias this is seamless, especially with the /nopickup function so my spare columns arent filled with potions and bolts.

amazons tele frames are terrible, she can run just as fast as she can tele, dropping skills gloves for trangs seems like a bad idea.

also with your gearset you would have red res in hell for almost every stat.

my build is absolutely not trash, I get compliments on it almost everytime I pub, I have even had friends tell me that its boring when I use because they dont get a chance to kill.

Your build is for spamming lightning fury, which is an amazing skill, and ofcourse I use it, liberally If i need to, but there are times when it completely whiffs or does little damage, and im not throwing 20 javs in a chaos run to clear the ghosts, it is much faster to pick stragglers with CS while routing to the next seal, this same idea also works great in cows to lure the next herd, which I can just simply tele for merc reset as they approach.

ps: my javs didnt cost 50kfg nor even close

You don't have to wait for conviction if you stack -res from various sources (Griffon with 5/5 facet, Tstroke), some people even run Insight merc and still clear P8 nice and easy. Feel free to try it yourself, these things aren't expensive.

tldr; not only is your build trash, your playstyle makes no sense either.

can't force you to have a decent zon. if you enjoy being ridiculously suboptimal then that's all good. feel free to return to my comment once sucking gets old though



also big lol



guaranteed pierce over 80% pierce makes a world of difference. you might not believe it but it is undisputable.
the +1 sk from arach is a tremendous damage decrease and the 20 fcr is not going to take you from 68 to 99. arach makes no sense whatsoever on a pvm zon.

ask yourself why there's never been even a resemblence of a debate over what the bis pvm zon belt is over the 20+ years this game has been out.