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Let's talk sunder charms

So i have gear for tesladin and gear for dragondin. I run lvl 25 conviction.

Question 1: Conviction removes a huge amount of resistance. Is "immune" a level of resistance, or a separate thing? If I remove enough of an enemies fire resistance, do they lose the immunity as well?

Question 2: if the answer to #1 is "no it does not remove immunity", what does conviction *do* to these immune monsters? If I'm removing 150 fire resistance through conviction but an enemy is still immune, does my fire just not affect them and the green swirly pool at their feet is just for looks?

Question 3: does the "removes immunity" from a monster on a sunder charm affect non-immunes? If I'm fighting a cold immune with holy fire and have a fire sunder charm, does this lower the monsters resistance, effectively boosting my damage to the cold immune (and all other types)

Question 4: will adding a sunder charm make a huge world of difference for my auras?


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This post was edited by Touchstone on Apr 14 2023 10:12pm
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monsters are marked immune if they have 100+ res against some type of dmg. immunities can be broken in 3 ways: some aura, some curses and sunders.
regarding auras: conviction aura works vs immun monsters at 1/5 of effectiveness. if that is enough to bring the resist below 100, the monster is no longer immune. example: monster has 120fr, conviction removes 150/5=30, so monster it has 90fr and now takes fire dmg. sanctuary aura removes physical immunity from undeads since it sets phys res to 0 (with some minor details)
regarding curses: lower resist works basically in the same way as conviction. note that combining lower resist and conviction still makes them work at 1/5 against immune monsters! (even if one breaks the immunity, the monster is still internally marked as immune for the game, so the second effect is still diminished). decrepify and amp work in the same way, just against phys immunes.
regarding sunders: sunders just set the resist of an immune monster to 95%. it is still internally tagged as immune, so auras and curses work at 1/5. the advantage of using a sunder is that auras and curses have a lower starting point to work with. consider example above: with sunder, fr is first set to 95, then conviction removes another 150/5=30, so monsters is left with 65fr (compared to 90fr without sunder). this is quite a noticeable difference!

after these effects, all other direct -res from your gear is considered on top. note that direct -res only works against monsters with resists <100, so you cant break immunities with direct -res (but just with the three options mentioned above)

i hope i got all your questions included here, if not, just reply ;)
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Quote (PiXi31415 @ Apr 15 2023 01:52am)
monsters are marked immune if they have 100+ res against some type of dmg. immunities can be broken in 3 ways: some aura, some curses and sunders.
regarding auras: conviction aura works vs immun monsters at 1/5 of effectiveness. if that is enough to bring the resist below 100, the monster is no longer immune. example: monster has 120fr, conviction removes 150/5=30, so monster it has 90fr and now takes fire dmg. sanctuary aura removes physical immunity from undeads since it sets phys res to 0 (with some minor details)
regarding curses: lower resist works basically in the same way as conviction. note that combining lower resist and conviction still makes them work at 1/5 against immune monsters! (even if one breaks the immunity, the monster is still internally marked as immune for the game, so the second effect is still diminished). decrepify and amp work in the same way, just against phys immunes.
regarding sunders: sunders just set the resist of an immune monster to 95%. it is still internally tagged as immune, so auras and curses work at 1/5. the advantage of using a sunder is that auras and curses have a lower starting point to work with. consider example above: with sunder, fr is first set to 95, then conviction removes another 150/5=30, so monsters is left with 65fr (compared to 90fr without sunder). this is quite a noticeable difference!

after these effects, all other direct -res from your gear is considered on top. note that direct -res only works against monsters with resists <100, so you cant break immunities with direct -res (but just with the three options mentioned above)

i hope i got all your questions included here, if not, just reply ;)


Do sunder charms work on non-immunes? If I have a lightning sunder charm on and am doing lightning damage and fighting a cold immune, am I doing more damage to them as well?

This post was edited by Touchstone on Apr 15 2023 07:01am
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Do sunder charms work on non-immunes? If I have a lightning sunder charm on and am doing lightning damage and fighting a cold immune, am I doing more damage to them as well?


no. sunders only affect immunes. against non-immunes, there is no effect
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Quote (PiXi31415 @ Apr 15 2023 07:02am)
no. sunders only affect immunes. against non-immunes, there is no effect


Got it.

Regarding this point:
Quote (PiXi31415 @ Apr 15 2023 01:52am)


after these effects, all other direct -res from your gear is considered on top. note that direct -res only works against monsters with resists <100, so you cant break immunities with direct -res (but just with the three options mentioned above)


Crescent moon has a -35 enemy lightning resistance built in. So if I am fighting a lightning immune baddie (without conviction, for discussion sake), who has 120 lite res, thr -35 enemy lightning resistance from CM doesn't do anything?
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Apr 15 2023 07:26am
Quote (Touchstone @ Apr 15 2023 08:07am)
Got it.

Regarding this point:

Crescent moon has a -35 enemy lightning resistance built in. So if I am fighting a lightning immune baddie (without conviction, for discussion sake), who has 120 lite res, thr -35 enemy lightning resistance from CM doesn't do anything?


Correct. You need to get them to 99 resist or lower for the -35 to work.
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