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Quote (tudey @ Tue, 11 Aug 2009, 01:18)
well it helps always, but yea, fools is probably better usually (fury is a lot better than that claw actually, since you get almost as much ed but you get extra ds and ow)

about wsm, it just takes an extra second or 2 when you bo, not really too bad
but if you dont want to use it then dont, although its really cool on budget trappers


100 dmg difference in claw is just 17 after pvp penalty ^^

yeah also because people neglect awesome claws becuz they slow ^^ but i was complimenting the slower claw there actually, i guess it sounded weird since it has been some time since i've done that in trophy room.

but well that extra 1 or 2 seconds can be hard to pull off in tight duels, also, im lazy as fuck. i would like just 2 hotkeys for everything.. tele + ezpk. it almost works for barb.
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Quote (Abductor @ Tue, 11 Aug 2009, 01:22)
100 dmg difference in claw is just 17 after pvp penalty ^^

yeah also because people neglect awesome claws becuz they slow ^^ but i was complimenting the slower claw there actually, i guess it sounded weird since it has been some time since i've done that in trophy room.

but well that extra 1 or 2 seconds can be hard to pull off in tight duels, also, im lazy as fuck. i would like just 2 hotkeys for everything.. tele + ezpk. it almost works for barb.


well you usually aren't dueling when you wsm bug =)

if you run out of bo, then sure, but you got trapfield covering you and you can tele away

E: that slower claw isnt bad yea, but when you bug it it becomes secondary and usually you'd want fools to be primary

This post was edited by tudey on Aug 10 2009 04:25pm
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hahahaha loool at that guy

ow stacks from weapons, fury doesnt have 40 ias ^^^^^^^^^^

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Quote (tudey @ Tue, 11 Aug 2009, 01:24)
well you usually aren't dueling when you wsm bug =)

if you run out of bo, then sure, but you got trapfield covering you and you can tele away

E: that slower claw isnt bad yea, but when you bug it it becomes secondary and usually you'd want fools to be primary


why? it depends on the claw majorly though. fools only has to be primary if you want the ar to pass on to kicks.

though if you play it real safe and only do 4fpa hitchecks (yea right, who can) then yes, fools should be primary but other than that, i see no reason.
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Quote (Abductor @ Tue, 11 Aug 2009, 01:27)
why? it depends on the claw majorly though. fools only has to be primary if you want the ar to pass on to kicks.

though if you play it real safe and only do 4fpa hitchecks (yea right, who can) then yes, fools should be primary but other than that, i see no reason.


there were some tests made about that which showed otherwise
I saved the link:
http://media.putfile.com/fools-claw-ar-on-ww
its not all clear though

and if it does work like that then getting it primary is nice for first hitcheck

E: damn, link doesnt seem to work
anyway, iirc the results were something along the lines of fools only working @ mainhand and it averaging its ar for both claws or so

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Quote (tudey @ Tue, 11 Aug 2009, 01:30)
there were some tests made about that which showed otherwise
I saved the link:
http://media.putfile.com/fools-claw-ar-on-ww
its not all clear though

and if it does work like that then getting it primary is nice for first hitcheck

E: damn, link doesnt seem to work


i think bob made those tests too. his tests showed no difference. i remember there being debate about it but meh. 2 different conclusions but i'll just consider it this way: game adds the ar from primary claw to the LCS but only takes the ar of the single claw factored in the hitcheck (+ of course base and whatever's on the gear)

makes sense to me.
Quote (tudey @ Tue, 11 Aug 2009, 01:30)
anyway, iirc the results were something along the lines of fools only working @ mainhand and it averaging its ar for both claws or so


e: i remember something along those lines too. but yea i always used fools as primary mainly because i always had 40 ias on fools ^^ and i liked using kicks and i rarely used ww vs sorc so i would use fools + jade etc.

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Quote (Abductor @ Tue, 11 Aug 2009, 01:33)
i think bob made those tests too. his tests showed no difference. i remember there being debate about it but meh. 2 different conclusions but i'll just consider it this way: game adds the ar from primary claw to the LCS but only takes the ar of the single claw factored in the hitcheck (+ of course base and whatever's on the gear)

makes sense to me.


dno
that is what makes sense yep, but I just remember this test showing different

dclaw is really amazing btw, better than kick most of the time imo ^^

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we still can!
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Aug 10 2009 04:38pm
yea =)
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