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Quote (Azn Masta @ Mon, Aug 17 2009, 11:14pm)
actually a good necro should beat a good sin (unless the sin jsut sits behind corners all day and camps)

and max block helps that


Eh, it depends.

I'd say Ghost > Nec
Hybrid < Nec

And Nec vs Trap is pretty even, maybe a little in the nec's favor
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Quote (Azn Masta @ Mon, Aug 17 2009, 10:14pm)
actually a good necro should beat a good sin (unless the sin jsut sits behind corners all day and camps)

and max block helps that


Double post but o well. Can you introduce me to the sins you play against?
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Quote (Ratification @ Tue, Aug 18 2009, 03:15am)
Double post but o well. Can you introduce me to the sins you play against?


maybe you should just find better necros oO
necro and sin is probably a 60/40 duel. Little in the necros favor but close so it comes down to better skilled in most duels.
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Quote (Soccergoal10 @ Mon, Aug 17 2009, 10:18pm)
maybe you should just find better necros oO
necro and sin is probably a 60/40 duel. Little in the necros favor but close so it comes down to better skilled in most duels.


nvm im not in the mood to keep on trying to prove my point. Congrats
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Quote (drt1245 @ Mon, Aug 17 2009, 11:15pm)
Eh, it depends.

I'd say Ghost > Nec
Hybrid < Nec

And Nec vs Trap is pretty even, maybe a little in the nec's favor


um nonono.... a max block nec with 50 dr rapes ghost sin hardcore... (as long as necro is smart he'll win about 65-35)
necro also > hybrid unless the sin just camps all day

im talkin about good ones here. not idiots who just spam ibs and pray for a hit

This post was edited by Azn Masta on Aug 17 2009 09:21pm
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Quote (Azn Masta @ Mon, 17 Aug 2009, 20:23)
shako is a fail nec helm. shako = no max block = fail in pvp

circle or valk are the only choices...

and my guide has changed a lot but i still use the same sin... i didnt remake it or anything. i just added more stuff in my guide


There are plenty competent vita necs on west, in fact the better necs that I know of all play vita necs.
Shako is pro as fuck.
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Quote (young2093 @ Tue, Aug 18 2009, 12:22am)
There are plenty competent vita necs on west, in fact the better necs that I know of all play vita necs.
Shako is pro as fuck.


competant doesnt mean u'll never make a mistake... 200-300 life is nothin compared to being safer 75% of the time.... you like math dont you? lets try some

lets say the necro has 3.2k life max block vs 4k non block

3200x.75=2400+3200=5600life vs chars where block helps against.... (barbs/sins/team pk/zons/bming/etc...)

the only time a necro would be better without block is in nvn (and with nvn gear on a max block necro will die in the same amount as spears are a vita one) and vs druids and sorcs....and like a trapper or something

a good es sorc will beat the necro regardless so thats out of the question leaving only the druid.....and even in that matchup, 1-2 mistakes will cost you your life so 3.2 vs 4k wont make THAT much of a diff

vs a sin, a good necro should be able to beat it anyways (unless the sin just camps in a corner 24/7 - and in that case, max block or not... u'll lose anyways)

in the end, i rule max block far superior to vita necro

This post was edited by Azn Masta on Aug 18 2009 06:10am
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i used this guide for my hybrid i tweaked it a bit but i used this as a guide line thx bro
/edit unlike this one~
http://forums.d2jsp.org/index.php?showtopic=34249273&f=87&st=0
//edit again~or this gfg one here
http://forums.d2jsp.org/index.php?showtopic=29254526&f=87&st=0

This post was edited by jollyranchers on Aug 18 2009 06:22am
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Quote (Azn Masta @ Tue, 18 Aug 2009, 06:05)
regardless of how "good" you are. max block is worth the loss of like 200-300 life. without it a good sin or barb will destroy the nec after 1 mistake or something...


no, maxblock will basicly make the nec v barb impossible to lose
on vita its pretty even you might have small advantage, if you are good you can beat barbs for sure
about sin, sure it could be cool vs ghost or hybrid, mainly ghost. But the thing is, with mb you have less flexibility, so you wont be able to use 152 fhr and tg that easily compared to vita nec when you just need to swap belt and weapon, get extra fcr ring and use extra fhr gc, easy 152fhr + tgod

about shako
coa is usually better since it had dr fhr and resists, however that doesnt mean you cant use shako sometimes too

by the way, your math is wrong
having maxblock means 4x effective life vs melees, not ~2x

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