I have already an nice eth superior bonevisage 3os for my merc

This post was edited by Spartacus160 on Feb 21 2022 12:34pm

ahhh i meant for my barb, the merc would lose more than he gained from flickering flame as that much fire resist is overkill.

g face is pretty hard to beat. maybe impossible.

A gg helm would be + to inc speed or natural resist since i only put a single point in those.


This post was edited by DrDangerDowell on Feb 21 2022 12:38pm

Gface i have to try on my merc but i think using forti or coh pays off cause much faster clear speed compared to wealth just my opinion m8 (merc only build) and with these u can use ias dtd jewel in gf instead of fr ias

This post was edited by Spartacus160 on Feb 21 2022 01:20pm

I agree Coh dmg to demons is amazing for merc but you of course lose the huge mf and goldfind from wealth.

I am always building this character with the goal of generating wealth that i can use OUTSIDE of this char. I spend as little as i can on this barb so i can use it to fund other projects.

All that said, i feel cost is a factor here. the merc kill version of this build or even just the melee version of the barb aren't going to be ladder starters. thats the biggest difference here. the singer that aids the merc is cheaper to the Nth degree and clears faster ( IMO once optimized ) for a MUCH smaller price tag.

the most expensive item required for the singer version is simply the mercs jewel in his g face. cost me about 300 fg at the start of launch. 15 ias 27+fire resist jewel..... thats it. all other BIS pieces are largely throw away uniques and sets you can get for next to nothing.

This post was edited by DrDangerDowell on Feb 21 2022 01:28pm

yea for ladder start ur variant should be much better not that high costs

Wealth Armor on the Merc is just alright if the game reset timer is very long, normally. The shorter the timer, the more value you get from just better clearspeed. Not sure what we're arguing about here, but maybe I'm misunderstanding you?

It's only when you insist on using Wealth that Fire Resist becomes a problem. Ral in Andy is generally fine with any other armor. And yes, Flickering Flame will let us get away with a lot more for slightly slower clearspeed builds; kinda like a Guardian Angel/Kira setup, but way easier.

As far as the Melee build, I have no idea which one you're speaking of. There are a lot of them. Sheet DPS of WW is never the problem, it's the control over the council and positioning. WW can be a clusterfuck when the packs are all over the place, whereas Zerk tap-killing usually is simpler. WW is totally fine as a skill though, just less surgical from what I've found.

You're saying Amn Arioc's with a 15ias/30fr GFace + Wealth is the perfect setup?

This post was edited by Exokek on Feb 21 2022 03:43pm

yea the WW takes some practice getting used to, need to do a lot of shorter whirls. If you're just starting out with WW your paper dps will definitely crater as you spend precious seconds WWing nothing. With optimal play, I find that it's actually faster than zerk especially when pack is spread out - because you're attacking while moving as opposed to move, then attack. It's also quite a bit safer with leech and not getting mobbed - with zerk you may need to use warcry or pots defensively.

The only time when WW is slower than zerk is when that one guy spawns as PI and soaks up all the WW hits and you don't realize it for a while.

I have a fair bit of practice with it since I spent so long on Classic, so maybe I just need to try again.

I usually end up with 30s-ish runs on Zerk and it's always a bit clunkier on WW. I feel like I owe it to myself to try WW again if only to see what I'm missing. What's your setup, to make sure I'm not messing up?

I am using WW and berserk with my botd ghost spear. WW is for positioning and attacking more targets, berserk one shots council members. Berserk is the main dispatcher. I also use leap to stun them before zerking. My merc wears infinity.

I mouse over my gear/inventory at the end. Note that I'm not saying this is more efficient than zerk - you're losing a 6xlem offhand when using WW. I just find it easier to play without care for survivial, esp on Switch where I'm not able to hit rejuv pots fast enough lol.

Using LoH would also speed up things a lot.