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Apr 16 2012 03:13pm
Quote (monSt4r @ Apr 16 2012 04:15am)
Oh I forgot, there is a new interesting guide with some holes in strategy, but that can be found on other similar ones, the link is : http://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=61560176&f=87
Very solid build and explanations.


ahh, that explains why my thread went up by 100 views today.

Quote (Jeebus666 @ Apr 16 2012 02:47pm)
But... This is Habakkuk22 thread, if you haven't tested under the intense pressure of wager duels --> gtfo


he's dueled my sin before, you probably have too if you're on east nl.

Quote (Ziecheik @ Apr 16 2012 03:56pm)
dex zons in 2004
vita zons in 2007
balanced bvc in 2009
dex stat on wwsin in 2012
str stat on bvc in 2013
turbo stat on necro in 2015
will the public perception of d2 builds keep evolving?
will everyone's pokemon avatar still stay the same despite the players behind the avatar being grown men?


I stat strength on my bvc, I know a few others who do as well. More damage + ez str bug > a few hundred life imho.

also prolly shouldn't spam this thread, most of the stuff that was bought about is already posted on in my old thread.
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Apr 16 2012 03:16pm
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ahh, that explains why my thread went up by 100 views today.



he's dueled my sin before, you probably have too if you're on east nl. 



I stat strength on my bvc, I know a few others who do as well.  More damage + ez str bug > a few hundred life imho. 

also prolly shouldn't spam this thread, most of the stuff that was bought about is already posted on in my old thread.


way past that LOL
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Apr 16 2012 03:18pm
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way past that LOL


yeah, doesn't really matter I guess. he probably wants it bumped anyways.
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Apr 16 2012 09:48pm
Quote (Skibum @ Apr 16 2012 09:18pm)
yeah, doesn't really matter I guess.  he probably wants it bumped anyways.


he quit til d3 comes out from what I heard.
thats what happens when you lose a serious epride duel.

honestly though, this thread is a nice concept. just the author is a bit funny and asks to be trolled.

and yes, I also liked str/vita split bvcs. Im wondering when the rest of d2 will catch on. although vita bvcs are probably better in tpk where it actually matters.
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Apr 16 2012 10:10pm
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he quit til d3 comes out from what I heard.
thats what happens when you lose a serious epride duel.

honestly though, this thread is a nice concept. just the author is a bit funny and asks to be trolled.

and yes, I also liked str/vita split bvcs. Im wondering when the rest of d2 will catch on. although vita bvcs are probably better in tpk where it actually matters.


thats why mines isnt str allocated
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Apr 17 2012 01:55am
Quote (Skibum @ Apr 16 2012 10:13pm)
I stat strength on my bvc, I know a few others who do as well.  More damage + ez str bug > a few hundred life imho. 

also prolly shouldn't spam this thread, most of the stuff that was bought about is already posted on in my old thread.


I don't see why statting strength on a bvc is superior to a bva that has dex statted.

If you get 100 base strength ( this is what Mil suggested ), you stat 70 extra strength, 70 in vitality would give you ( 70 * 4 ) * 2.4 = 672 life ( assuming a certain lvl of barb bo ).In turn you get 70 ed, this is indeed a difference on a barb ( as barb's dont have a lot of off weapon ed% ), but I dont see it being THAT significant.

However if you stat like 70 dex for max block, you gain like 70 * 5 *5.75 = 2k AR AND you get a max block switch.

The part about it being easier to str bug with high str is just a matter of opinion tho, its easy to str bug with a wc club on switch ( with str ), but your method requires you to have to flash all your strength items and all you gain is like an extra hoto on switch. Also with all these points in str you'll need some sort of heavy armour with req above 175 or so to bug ( you could use a medium armour depending on how much str you added and your level )...

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Quote (Jeebus666 @ Apr 17 2012 07:55am)
I don't see why statting strength on a bvc is superior to a bva that has dex statted.

If you get 100 base strength ( this is what Mil suggested ), you stat 70 extra strength, 70 in vitality would give you ( 70 * 4 ) * 2.4 = 672 life ( assuming a certain lvl of barb bo ).In turn you get 70 ed, this is indeed a difference on a barb ( as barb's dont have a lot of off weapon ed% ), but I dont see it being THAT significant.

However if you stat like 70 dex for max block, you gain like 70 * 5 *5.75 = 2k AR AND you get a max block switch.

The part about it being easier to str bug with high str is just a matter of opinion tho, its easy to str bug with a wc club on switch ( with str ), but your method requires you to have to flash all your strength items and all you gain is like an extra hoto on switch. Also with all these points in str you'll need some sort of heavy armour with req above 175 or so to bug ( you could use a medium armour depending on how much str you added and your level )...


Both sound wrong lol. Also where is max block good, 70dex for an amazon duel ? I guess an "oak stack >", but I am not a baba player (ghost has ww tho :) ).
And barb has not a lot of off weapon ED ? Mastery, ww, fanaticism, str modifier easily reach 8-10 multiplier, right ?
Difference why pumping dex is viable on a ghost is that extra 0.75ed modifier. Makes dex actually really cool with all the bonuses.

edit. also skibum really likes str desync in such a way it makes me wanna try it also. Tbh it is really annoying to play against it, also it can make a bad WW (in EU known as "WW bug", which is kinda a retarded name) lock into a potential slaughterhouse.

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Both sound wrong lol. Also where is max block good, 70dex for an amazon duel ? I guess an "oak stack >", but I am not a baba player (ghost has ww tho :) ).
And barb has not a lot of off weapon ED ? Mastery, ww, fanaticism, str modifier easily reach 8-10 multiplier, right ?
Difference why pumping dex is viable on a ghost is that extra 0.75ed modifier. Makes dex actually really cool with all the bonuses.

edit. also skibum really likes str desync in such a way it makes me wanna try it also. Tbh it is really annoying to play against it, also it can make a bad WW (in EU known as "WW bug", which is kinda a retarded name) lock into a potential slaughterhouse.


Dunno why your bringing up ghosts, two different builds.

And not just 1v1's vs amazon's but tvt's vs zon teams ( altho this is less common now I think with so much fpk ).

Iirc ed% bonuses come to like a 9x multiplier, so 800 total ed, but that silll makes 70% ed a bit in terms of proportions ( but obviously I didn't mean it was massive as I said I didn't think getting 100 str was the way to go )

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Quote (Jeebus666 @ Apr 17 2012 08:54am)
Dunno why your bringing up ghosts, two different builds.

And not just 1v1's vs amazon's but tvt's vs zon teams ( altho this is less common now I think with so much fpk ).

Iirc ed% bonuses come to like a 9x multiplier, so 800 total ed, but that silll makes 70% ed a bit in terms of proportions ( but obviously I didn't mean it was massive as I said I didn't think getting 100 str was the way to go )


Yep, 2 different builds, although I take ghost as a BvC with more options in dueling :)
And it was just for an example as in why pumping other than vita stat could be useful.
I also agree with you that pumping str on BvC is not the way to go then, except this str bug optimization, which I don't have a strong foundation for it on a BvC. Pumping a stat just for ED purpose is a wrong thing to do.
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Apr 17 2012 04:05am
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Yep, 2 different builds, although I take ghost as a BvC with more options in dueling :)
And it was just for an example as in why pumping other than vita stat could be useful.
I also agree with you that pumping str on BvC is not the way to go then, except this str bug optimization, which I don't have a strong foundation for it on a BvC. Pumping a stat just for ED purpose is a wrong thing to do.


what do u mean by " str bug optimisation ", better to str bug with just a wc club imo, that way you dont have to wear some medium/heavy armour and dont have to flash, you just need to pick up body on wc club side first..

Advantage of 2 hoto's I guess is that you get higher leap and 102 fcr on switch when your using 40 fcr, but I dont see why this is so significant.
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