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Aug 17 2009 01:25pm
Quote (MagicGasca @ Mon, Aug 17 2009, 07:09pm)
ok Thx for infos :)

PS : the 11k ar is only with fools, little ar in amu or ring and sc's ?

It's because with fools, ring with 110 + ar ... I have 8k ar :s and it's not enough.


Try leveling higher.
Not only will this increase the ar you get from fools, but also all ar/def rolls have a clvl vs clvl clause, meaning the higher level you are than your opponent, the more of an ar bonus you get and a def% penalty your opponent gets, and likewise the advantage defending against ar/def roll based attacks when defending. So level up into the mid-90s and you should have an easier time hitting players, the lower their level the more of a bonus you have.
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Aug 17 2009 01:32pm
Quote (myfryhole @ Mon, 17 Aug 2009, 20:25)
p raven + some ar+dex fcr ring also lvl 90
ammy is highlords


But if you don't play with amu fcr.. and ring fcr ar .. it's more good to have angelic ring an amu (for bonus AR 144-1188)

No?
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Aug 17 2009 01:33pm
Quote (MagicGasca @ Mon, 17 Aug 2009, 22:32)
But if you don't play with amu fcr.. and ring fcr ar .. it's more good to have angelic ring an amu (for bonus AR  144-1188)

No?


no
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Aug 17 2009 03:15pm
Quote (tudey @ Mon, Aug 17 2009, 03:33pm)
no


this
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Aug 17 2009 03:38pm
a few pages back someone asked about the 3pts needed to get bladeshield didnt see ne responses do u guys think this is a total waste even though it clears pets out?
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Quote (Azn Masta @ Mon, Aug 17 2009, 11:35am)
yep, but I had to exagerate how bad it was to prevent people from trying it and becoming too lazy to get the circlet build

This seems inconsistent to me. You claim that you don't mention CoA because you don't want people to become lazy and be content with something that is not 100% ideal, while at the same time, you don't mention warfist + ferals because it is too hard to get. Also, I'm not so sure lazyness is really the issue here. Item availability is the issue, and unless a proper circlet can be found, CoA is a very good (or better) alternative. In my opinion, even you don't have the proper circlet to make the shide build better than a CoA build. You may call someone lazy for not getting the circlet build, but I call someone foolish for neglecting CoA and using the circlet + shide build without the proper circlet.
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Quote (KillersDream @ Mon, Aug 17 2009, 06:25pm)
This seems inconsistent to me. You claim that you don't mention CoA because you don't want people to become lazy and be content with something that is not 100% ideal, while at the same time, you don't mention warfist + ferals because it is too hard to get. Also, I'm not so sure lazyness is really the issue here. Item availability is the issue, and unless a proper circlet can be found, CoA is a very good (or better) alternative. In my opinion, even you don't have the proper circlet to make the shide build better than a CoA build. You may call someone lazy for not getting the circlet build, but I call someone foolish for neglecting CoA and using the circlet + shide build without the proper circlet.


in my opinion someone like yourself who suggested wrist sword chaos as a weapon should not be getting smart ass towards me about sins.

1) coa is ugly
2) coa forces you to use a 20fcr ammy, you wont be able to switch off. and IF you decide to use coa you will need a 2sin/20fcr/str ammy - so you may be short on life/res etc...
3) coa makes your lose 1 to sins and also 1 to venom/block/mastery/shadow/fade/mindblast
4) coa has no life (or a max of ~40life)
5) have you also noticed that people who actually play sins also agree with me that coa isnt the best choice? do some clear research to why circlet > coa before you reply.

This post was edited by Azn Masta on Aug 17 2009 07:14pm
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Aug 17 2009 07:20pm
Quote (KillersDream @ Mon, 17 Aug 2009, 23:25)
This seems inconsistent to me. You claim that you don't mention CoA because you don't want people to become lazy and be content with something that is not 100% ideal, while at the same time, you don't mention warfist + ferals because it is too hard to get. Also, I'm not so sure lazyness is really the issue here. Item availability is the issue, and unless a proper circlet can be found, CoA is a very good (or better) alternative. In my opinion, even you don't have the proper circlet to make the shide build better than a CoA build. You may call someone lazy for not getting the circlet build, but I call someone foolish for neglecting CoA and using the circlet + shide build without the proper circlet.


why?

coa build is awful
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Aug 17 2009 07:23pm
Quote (KillersDream @ Mon, Aug 17 2009, 03:25pm)
This seems inconsistent to me. You claim that you don't mention CoA because you don't want people to become lazy and be content with something that is not 100% ideal, while at the same time, you don't mention warfist + ferals because it is too hard to get. Also, I'm not so sure lazyness is really the issue here. Item availability is the issue, and unless a proper circlet can be found, CoA is a very good (or better) alternative. In my opinion, even you don't have the proper circlet to make the shide build better than a CoA build. You may call someone lazy for not getting the circlet build, but I call someone foolish for neglecting CoA and using the circlet + shide build without the proper circlet.


Quote (Azn Masta @ Mon, Aug 17 2009, 06:10pm)
in my opinion someone like yourself who suggested wrist sword chaos as a weapon should not be getting smart ass towards me about sins.

1) coa is ugly
2) coa forces you to use a 20fcr ammy, you wont be able to switch off. and IF you decide to use coa you will need a 2sin/20fcr/str ammy - so you may be short on life/res etc...
3) coa makes your lose 1 to sins and also 1 to venom/block/mastery/shadow/fade/mindblast
4) coa has no life (or a max of ~40life)
5) have you also noticed that people who actually play sins also agree with me that coa isnt the best choice? do some clear research to why circlet > coa before you reply.


imo the bolded part is more rare than a 2 sin / 20 fcr circlet. And a 2 os 30/31 CoA is probably more expensive than a plain 2 sin / 20 fcr circlet.

Overall: circlet is cheaper and easier to find than CoA + 2/20 ammy.
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Aug 17 2009 07:28pm
Why are you so venomously opposed to coa? "Have you noticed that people who actually play sins..agree..that coa [while not being the best choice if you have a completely amazing 2 soc circlet, is very far from being a bad choice, and depending on the items available to you is in fact, better than a circlet in some setups]"?

This post was edited by xSmithenatorx2 on Aug 17 2009 07:29pm
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