I have this build and Ive found using shadow faith works best.

For casters i use um'd wiz for that 99 fcr bp, but for things like smiters and such, ive found swapping on javs with 48 fcr works really well. poison and ow still hurt, and the javs keep u attack with block.

how do the psn sc's in the 400 dmg range fare over the 175/20's? Just seem to be really hard to find those sc on ladder

451 dmg over 11 seconds = 41 dmg per second
175 psn over 6 seconds = 29 dmg per second

You won't tank nearly as much and you'll do basically 1/3rd more dmg.

Umm Matt... how is Shadow bow "best"? That doesn't make any sense... this is a PSN zon, Speed is everything and shadow bow is +5 speed bow type, I am not sure why everyone favors this bow, it is slow, and it isn't even that good. It boasts only a +3 damage average over Matriarchal bow and it is much slower than Matriarchal

Max IAS Matri Faith: 44
Max IAS Shadow Faith: 65

So you are wasting gear on that additional +10 IAS for that +3 phys damage average when it could be used for much more useful things. Let's not forget the +3 bow skills everyone seems to never calculate when choosing non-class base bows.

This post was edited by Engel on Nov 28 2009 03:35pm

2zon/20fcr/30 frw/2os circ with mods (2x 40/15 or 15/15)
cats eye
20 ias/kb/stat gloves

all that = 70 ias, and without sacraficing anything at all.

20 fcr arach
20 fcr circ
10 fcr ring (this lets u hit 48 bp with bow out)
um'd wiz and ber'd ss on switch to hit 99 fcr bp

the point of shadow is to get optimum physical damage, and the only other bow with more damage than shadow is gmb, and that requires way too much ias for this build.

the only time i use mat is on my my tele/psn zon with openwounds thrown in. instead of ias gloves i use dracs, instead of arach i use a 10 ow belt and instead of a circ i use cham'd 08 valk with 2x fcr rings... this build hurts casters and es sorc's alot more, but gets killed more by things like pally's and barbs.

** and +3 bow skills is almost worthless in the big picture. Would u sacrafice 9x 32020s on a zon for 3x bow gc lifers? I would hope not.


Edit: Hi celes

This post was edited by Mattd90 on Nov 28 2009 03:57pm

The last true zon?

Bit pompous, I think.

i dont rly like the idea of it ^^ but well whatevah RVR ^^

Hardly



That argument is flawed and you know it lol. For starters, you are using 3/20/20's on your poison zon :P? Lets also calculate the losses of res and other stats when you have to use another different type of jewel to replace the IAS you wouldn't of had to lose to begin with... Or in your case, cats eye which means you have to make up for FCR somewhere else, Lets also calculate the loss in passive skill points, as they were wasted in attempting to boost Guided so it doesn't reduce your mana so quickly, where as you would of gained +3 in passives if you had just kept +3 bow skill type bow. Even if you were using Matriarchal bow and cats eyes, you could still gain more from this than the shadow bow.

And, 2 AMA 19FCR Amulet ( hopefully dex or life ), 20 FCR circlet, 10 FCR Ring, 50 FCR Wizspike = 99FCR Cats eye is over rated for this type of zon ;3

And Hi Hi, Time for Mewi's mean amazon knowledge attack! XD


Edit: Let's do an unfair phys damage differential ;3

Best Amazon Damage/IAS GMB Build Vs Best Amazon Damage/IAS Shadow Build ( All IAS is correct and does not go over the needed amount, not using fortitude )

Grand Matron Bow ( Guided )
1851-6900

Shadow Bow ( Guided )
2289-5975

Tell me, which one looks better here ;P?

This post was edited by Engel on Nov 28 2009 05:44pm

^^

well you know how passives are. Once you reach a high enough level, those +3 points you spend in ga would serve better use than +3 in passives. those +3 in a single dodge close to being maxed will only raise ur dodge % by like 1... maybe 2 if its a lower level. Same goes for crit, but 72 is a must for that anyways. So its up to you, +3 ga for more damage, or 1-2 more dodge points in a single dodge. Main argument for shadow is that the ias needed for it so easy to achieve and u sacrafice little to get it.

*cats eye offers frw which in the end offers more life, 30 frw = 6x 5frw scs? so on any zon, ur gonna need to sacrafice something to get that frw back, that or run around with 30 less frw >_<
lets not forget 25 dex which is a big point saver.

**idk what ur trying to say with the gmb shadow comparison, im pretty aware gmb does more damage lol

What I am saying is you are sacrificing versatility/res/etc for a bow that is meant to support PSN damage, not phys damage with minuscule average differentials

Reduced Passives, reduced passives, for a gain of something you'll barely use. FRW is overrated on tele class types, 75 FRW is pretty good on its own, but I guess I can't expect everyone to have as much experience with dueling and knowing when is the best time to get out of somewhere. Even on a bowazon with only 95 FRW and no teleport you can do pretty well.

If I were to say make a tele psn bowazon right now the damage would be 6374 - 7259, life would be 4550 ( with cta bo ) 2750 without cta bo, Max Block, 50IAS total cap for a matriarchal o.O Verdungos, 99FCR cap, ability to switch to bm cleglaws without losing crucial BPs, etc o.O, sure only 75FRW, but trust me on this =3