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Jun 5 2021 01:18am
Displays the correct IAS client side graphically, but server side isn't registering. You can still just lift it manually for a large range of builds. This type of shapeshift build in this thread has been around a long time.



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Quote (cantero @ Jun 5 2021 12:10am)
Yep, grief is broken powefull. But grief of destruction is retarded good for pvm, 20%CB and mana leech. You can't ask for more :D

Now i bring bad news.
Tested with last wish, as it is easier to see slower attack than with grief. While being in wolf form you can attack fast (bugged) with feral rage, but as soon as you attack with a normal attack you attack slow. So the bug works only with feral rage. That means that you can NOT use this bug in bear form.


Yes thats the reason we call it wolf barb glitch B)
when no mana leech, it will attack in normal way which is slow and low ar, bear one is simply 2 wp alternatively do attack.
LW u mean attack speed for this glitch or for kill monster efficiency? I think LW animation are kinda same u can check my 2nd video.

And I tried 146 and more than 146 on single, main wp is Grief,
146 still works,
over than 146, then initially work, then glitch disappear, Grief as main hand (slow speed, bit fast when hit someone, glitch pb useless),

so these 2x PBs' relationship would be "1st or 2nd" instead of "need each other" ? I guess

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Jun 5 2021 02:08am
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Displays the correct IAS client side graphically, but server side isn't registering. You can still just lift it manually for a large range of builds. This type of shapeshift build in this thread has been around a long time.


I don't think it is something like wsm, it do not care about the speed of attack weapon. This really works.
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Quote (piatek @ Jun 5 2021 03:18am)
Displays the correct IAS client side graphically, but server side isn't registering. You can still just lift it manually for a large range of builds. This type of shapeshift build in this thread has been around a long time.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hGWvobm3YzA

thats good to know, bad that it happened, was cool having autowsm bug
I see people still using it on d2ga but thats an earlier patch so I guess it still works there.


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I don't think it is something like wsm, it do not care about the speed of attack weapon. This really works.


if wsm bug got patched/broken as described above, there is a good chance it's broken for barb as well.
and just like auto wsm still gives a weird fake animation as though it still works, there is a chance you are seeing a fake animation of yourself attacking quickly, and just not able to tell the difference as you are hitting with the gloveside weapon primary.
since it'll look like you are attacking faster.

maybe. looks like maybe more testing needed.
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Quote (Ziecheik @ Jun 5 2021 01:32am)
thats good to know, bad that it happened, was cool having autowsm bug
I see people still using it on d2ga but thats an earlier patch so I guess it still works there.




if wsm bug got patched/broken as described above, there is a good chance it's broken for barb as well.
and just like auto wsm still gives a weird fake animation as though it still works, there is a chance you are seeing a fake animation of yourself attacking quickly, and just not able to tell the difference as you are hitting with the gloveside weapon primary.
since it'll look like you are attacking faster.

maybe. looks like maybe more testing needed.


You are correct, that's also the reason I directly honestly say at the beginning "3F animation, 4F actual attack" instead of "3F Grief wolf".
it actually speed for calculation is 4/4F, (attack empty 4F, attack hit someone 4F), if s1 can prove im wrong and its actually 3/4F lmk.
There're ways to find the real speed I think, one of them I can say is use some gaming modifier software to slow down ur single player D2,
slow down 2~10 times, see if each attack can corresponds to each dmg caused, the Grief dmg is very obviously to observe

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if wsm bug got patched/broken as described above, there is a good chance it's broken for barb as well.
and just like auto wsm still gives a weird fake animation as though it still works, there is a chance you are seeing a fake animation of yourself attacking quickly, and just not able to tell the difference as you are hitting with the gloveside weapon primary.
since it'll look like you are attacking faster.

maybe. looks like maybe more testing needed.


But i see monsters dying fast, so it's not only attacking fast in my screen.
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Quote (cantero @ Jun 5 2021 01:37am)
But i see monsters dying fast, so it's not only attacking fast in my screen.


Grief got "ignore defense" for average monsters, and got -25% def for boss uniques, u are right, user can feel on each hit,
if its only animation I think it would be super ez to feel,

I'm recording Death eth CB wolf now, works good, I like the 1-shot dmg, but it's min dmg is worse than Grief (170-446, eth CB, 360%ed roll), and it don't got "ignore def" or "- 25% def", so can feel empty attack somewhat,
put on 6xEth for main wp yesterday, i can feel the dmg on each hit,
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Jun 5 2021 03:31am
I'm same as Ziecheik I mean I keep doubt in mind all the time as well, cuz we don't have way to know how it works, but
here're some thing I didn't mention, and some comparison:

1. Like some of rare build, works doesn't 100% mean other player will see what u see on ur screen:
I used G-Death wolf (strength glitch eth CB Death wolf) to do Chaos & Baal, and logged other account char from laptop, from laptop screen I saw this wolf is super slow (just like what it should be).

2. I do many Chaos runs in different game, 3 times I used Death + str glitch PB, 3 times I used Death + random second wp (demon limb, axe, long sword things),
scene a: if I got surrounded by knights in Chaos, or big guys in river, and if I use str glitch build, nothing would happen,
    1) curse triggered fast,
    2) I got no life loose (8k at least I got)
    3) I can attack (even got stunned by since my attack speed too fast can almost recovery immediately)
    4) fast attack, dmg is what it should be (death's dmg range is worse than grief, but can 1-hit kill too)

scene b: if I got surrounded by those things i mentioned, these would happen every time (imagine the speed of abarb wolf attack with a big slow death CB)
    1)I got seriously life loose (over half can be)
    2) I cannot attack (no matter 2x hand death or 1hand death 1hand other wp, speed too slow), so b4 u fight back, they will stun u again and again
    3) slow attack w/ bad gaming experience


they are not controversial, ur side dmg and other ppl side animation cannot say too much, like the boxer barb I used in pvp, my rivals views are: they cannot see me, I'm invisible sometimes and appear immediately, they hard to see me, but in my view, I'm just chasing and punching them.

This post was edited by Ironboar on Jun 5 2021 03:59am
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Jun 5 2021 03:42am
BTW, another way I came up w/ to test if it's animation or real attack:

single player, use item editor make some wp (PB for example), with mods like these:
Phase Blade
100% chance to trigger XXX (nova, FoH, Bone spirt, etc) when hitting target
ignore monster def
-25% enermy def


use it hit those watchtowers in act5, if the dex glitch wolf can trigger the effect almost every or most attack, then I think it can approve something.

This post was edited by Ironboar on Jun 5 2021 03:43am
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Jun 5 2021 05:51am
Quote (Ziecheik @ Jun 5 2021 01:32am)
thats good to know, bad that it happened, was cool having autowsm bug
I see people still using it on d2ga but thats an earlier patch so I guess it still works there.




if wsm bug got patched/broken as described above, there is a good chance it's broken for barb as well.
and just like auto wsm still gives a weird fake animation as though it still works, there is a chance you are seeing a fake animation of yourself attacking quickly, and just not able to tell the difference as you are hitting with the gloveside weapon primary.
since it'll look like you are attacking faster.

maybe. looks like maybe more testing needed.


Bro I used A5 watchtowers & A2 fire towers to do the time comparison, here's the result and video:
The result is better than what I expect,


This post was edited by Ironboar on Jun 5 2021 05:52am
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