Isnt the frozen river full of cold immunes? A fire sorc or a decently geared mele character would do fine there. It is a challenge if you get unlucky with the spawns and get the gloams. I just might take my zon through there. THen again, once confuse kicks in, it wont matter as my merc carries tomb reaver and the decrep kicks in and the PI's go away.

some points on you, sir.

first of all learn to give points to people when you make a guide instead of just insulting. i wrote some stickied guides for jsp. got some people who gave me pointless critics and i've never insulted them. when you realease a guide to public you know you will have to handle some things like that.

and other way. stating that someone does not play legit cuz he is holding high runewords' items and calling noob someone who just at first sight joined here a year before you makes your opinion less valuable.

anyways as i stated on my first post. good work on guide.

have a nice day.

sry. saw this guide b4 on a other site...

i dont need to mf pvm trash

Are you insisting that all the HR items you have you found those HRs? Seriously? Wow you are a god, why should I ever question you? Besides, you have no clue on how to play the game if you state :



Good day to you as well. Noob.


This post was edited by The_Morpheus on Jan 2 2008 02:45pm

Do you know about how long it takes you to clear pits on your strafezon? It usually takes me about 4.5-5 minutes from the start of the game and it seems like I'm doing something wrong.

I think I posted earlier in this thread, but again, I gotta say, nice job!

I've retired from D2 at least 3 times, because it gets extremely monotonous and boring when you simply do baal runs and try to buy the best runewords and items you can get. Playing for yourself, by yourself, is much more rewarding and fun.

I love this build.

If you are leaving a monster left standing at the end of your run, then and only then are you doing something wrong. A strafer is not meant to clear the pits in a really fast time. You want a super fast clear of the pits? Use a standard hdin for a fast run. It has tele and redicously overpowered attack damage.

If you want to have fun while you are mfing, the strafer is for you. With this build, there is no where in the game that you cannot go and compete successfully.




Thanks for the kind words.

Is there any reason to do all the (major) pit areas such as The Pits, The Mausoleum, Ancient Tunnels, WSK etc rather than just doing one such as The Pits over and over again? (assuming you're not using a character such as a blizzard sorc, who would obviously just want to do ancient tunnels over and over) Also what is your opinion on /players 1-8 ? If your character could handle it would it be more beneficial to spend the time mowing through /players 8 rather than 1? or would the increased time it would take counteract the benefit gained (if there is one). Thanks.

Edit: I just remembered that somewhere along the line I once read that all character's start off with 100% base mf, but several times you state drop %'s from ATMA with the character having 0% mf so I can assume the source that I obtained this from was bogus or is no-longer true?

This post was edited by Variety on Feb 2 2008 04:33am

i feel like i should say something

first off, about mf. mf is a very tricky thingy. because it has to do with luck. let me tell you about my good friend, and his sojs. he found one with lvl 37 sorc in act 2 nm. with 0% mf. then we found one together in nm throne room, playing hc with my tank pala and his sorc. 0% mf. then he found one in izuals place with his smiter, on hell of course, also with 0% mf. he also found one with his sorc who had like 200 mf while killing nihlathak. so these are 4 sojs. what the hell does that prove? i guess nothing. what it takes to find an item is sometimes just pure luck.
now let me mention my mf sorc from last ladder. she had around 500mf and was able to kill everywhere very fast. lets nevermind the build, it was a pretty expensive one. i played her for last 4 months of ladder, more or less all the time. i made games in which i every time killed andy, meph, diablo, nihlathak and baal. now im sure i played at least 900 games that way. now guess what i found. 1 windforce bow. 1 deaths web wand. and nothing else. (of course there was a big big load of crap such as atmas wall or dark clan crusher) Maybe im a complete idiot, so i made a totally wrong build, put too much mf, bla bla. or i was just unlucky. you decide.

now about ama. if a person will start from scratch, and play alone, the story might unfold in a somewhat different way then described here. why? well... lets just say that one might end up with some serious problems before even getting to heavenly lvl 85 areas. everyone who actually tried to play the game in single player with essentially "combat" character knows what im talking about. you are simply stuck.

so let me offer some advices on this from my personal experience. first off, stay on normal baal for ages. you will get lvl 50+ there, and most likely one of those excellent unique exceptional bows. lets not be picky. they will all do. save up your gold, wear chances all the time if you manage to get them. gamble like crazy. bows bows bows. gamble. when you hit 120ed rare, up it from normal to exceptional. it will get you going again from a stall. make yourself a peace armor. its cheap and you will find the runes for it on normal. you will get lvl 15 walk with it, and some other awesome bonuses. dont think that peace is shit. lvl 15 valk is most likely much tougher than you would have from your skills alone at the time, and that means an indestructible tank, thats invaluable.

so you managed to get yourself to act 5 nm. okay. do baalruns. a lot. give up when it is too hard. (it will be sometimes... no need in denying that) gamble some more constantly. gambling will most likely get you a decent weapon before drops will. its time for some heavy reisit armors. dont throw away that peace though, use it to trigger valk, and change. hope for an amu like crescent moon. raven is godly. look for heavy mana leech on rings as well. you will need some for hell. if you get buriza, you can start celebrating.

now to hell. be happy if your resistances are close to 20+. better is kind of almost impossible. some serious shit now. physical immunes. hopefully you put some into charged strike, and rest of javelin skills. other ways are kind of theoretical. of course you might wait for wws in the crypt or where ever but that might be about never, as well as it might be from first kill.

now its up to the character. are you patient enough to wait for a good drop in the crypt. ? or will you just try to complete the game?

i played 3 characters totally clean, and my goal was only to finish the game in all difficulties. i played ama, sorc and barb. ama was the last one, sorc was back in 1.09 patch i think, followed by barb. it can be done, alone. it takes insane time, i played single player for whole 8 months doing this. (not 10 hours per day of course, maybe 3/day) now who do you think had the easiest time? i guess thats kinda stupid to ask isnt it? lets just say that my barb died or reset about 500 times doing hell ancients.

so to conclude. for a start in fresh ladder season, i personally believe that nothing beats a sorc. simply because she can stack on some mf in nightmare and start getting things like oculus fairly early and easy. and those are worth some in the begginig.
if you want to complete the game, you can do it with all 7 classes. if you are patient enough. i kinda think that blizzard made sure that was possible before releasing the game.



i dont like your attitude morpheus, but its just me
this is a nice guide, thank you for writing it.

bye and gl.

This post was edited by Kacavida on Feb 8 2008 05:37pm