Made this char... Fun as hell. Hitting paladins without angelics you can just forget about. You need angelics. I love going toe to toe throwing against zons and winning:D Too much damage for them to handle.

Equip Lacerator over glove side and Grief over the boot side.
This allows you to hit Amp via Guided Arrows and Lacerator/ Grief combo does more Whirlwind damage than Lacerator/ Lacerator, or Lacerator/ Beast.
I hope this clarifies



You don't need Angelics, as I found that when the build revolves around Highlords and the best damage output it comes down to a battle of skill instead of items.
It's preference: AR or Damage.

Glad you're liking the character though I enjoyed going head-on Throw verse Fireball

mean is, due to ww hitchecks mechanics, if griefz isn't primary to take advantage of the first hit check, then it is meaningless to even have a lacerator build compared to the conventional bvc build

This post was edited by Soka_Gakkai on Sep 14 2010 04:51am

how about widow + atmas scarab

works very well also

the point of it is using ga to proc amp on them, then they take 3x more damage (assuming they had 50 dr before)
you just cant amp with grief primary so there's no choice

but yea well conventional bvc build is probably better anyway, the amp runs out fast and they can just avoid getting hit in that time



too low chance to cast and you lose highlords

This post was edited by tudey on Sep 14 2010 04:55am

when you've got widowmaker out, its for duels where you plan on never whirlwinding at all.
hence it can just as easily be lacerator / stormshield on switch as lacerator / grief. Grief makes more sense in caster matchups where they might slipup and give you a chance to ww them. for example, vs hammerdins.

in those duels its often just as wise to use beast with its ow/cb/ar bonuses, since that might help you more than more straight damage on grief, because of hammerdins high life / defense.



just teleport around shooting them full of guided arrows. You never use widowmaker in duels where you would want to whirlwind.

srry to say it!

but use double throw, to get amp, will decrease total win chance / decrease killing speed!
however it can be fun vs noobs!

sorry to say it
but using tommyvv will decrease total win chance / decrease killing speed!

This isn't a "Lacerator BvC" it's a Brawler- a Throw/ WW hybrid barbaraian and if you are trying out weapon combinations with Widowmaker on switch, Lacerator/ Grief is superior than Lacerator/ Lacerator or Lacerator/ Beast. If you want to remove Lacerator you lose Amp and would be better off making a BvA. As Tudey said, Amp is the important thing here.



Better for a bowa, and even then... =/ Atma's is a crap amulet compared to other options and you lose to much in versatility if the only way you're planning on getting Amp is through the 2% on Atma's via Widowmaker only.



Widowmaker is up for descretion, in terms of there is no matchup where I would always use it compared to other setups where I always use Crown of Ages.
Generally it is used against people who extreme l8z or to land an Amp from afar, the player has to be able to judge their own skill and the skill of their opponent to acknowledge whether they will be able to play with Widowmaker out (you're very vernable with Widowmaker).

I actually overlooked Crushing Blow :x usually so obsolete in PvP I didn't even think about it, but it could be useful verse hammerdins, as you said. Those types of matchups would be only the place I'd use that combination, if I chose to use Widowmaker.



Lol thanks Tommy

This post was edited by CompanyOfThree on Sep 14 2010 08:13am

Atmas has 5%
which is not too bad with widow.

But sadly its lvl 2 which doesnt last long.
so you need to make use of it fairly quickly

then again lacerator is lvl 3 amp soo...

This post was edited by mizure on Sep 14 2010 08:20am