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Oct 8 2009 07:08am
Quote (darkkobra @ Thu, 8 Oct 2009, 16:05)
umad?_?


no?_?

ok, i wont lie, such retardness kinda gets a bit on my nerves, not that much though ^^

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Quote (tudey @ Thu, 8 Oct 2009, 15:08)
no?_?

ok, i wont lie, such retardness kinda gets a bit on my nerves, not that much though ^^


^^ i knew umad!

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^^ i knew umad!

how is it going?


fine ^^
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Quote (clock_irock @ Thu, Oct 8 2009, 08:48am)
In 95% of cases, oak sage will have absolutely no effect, besides being a minion stack. Take this situation:

You get hit by a fireball:
First your oak sage dies, since it is on top of you. Then you lose the +%HP buff from it, then you get hit, and take exactly as much damage as you would have if you didn't have oak in the first place. What did oak accomplish? Absolutely nothing. It literally added nothing. The fact of the matter is, recasting will not do a thing; the oak will never matter up until you get hit, and then it will die first making it do nothing, so it never matters at all. Recasting does nothing.

Now take this one:
You get hit by hammers:
First hammer hits your oak sage, and it dies, but you don't get hit. Second hammer hits you, deals full damage. But guess what? HoW would have done exactly the same thing


I don't get why this is so hard for you to understand even after tudey spelled it out for you.




That was either 3 or 4 different necros, not one. And they were some of the best on east at the time the video was taken.
Only an idiot (like you) would try to kill a shaman with bone spirits in necro vs shaman duels. The minion stack, lack of need to stay on your screen, constant teleporting, etc, makes bone spirits about as effective against a shaman as they are against a blizz sorc. The only way you will ever land one, ever, is through IBS spam and praying. Instead, a bone necro is just going to be using spear/teeth throughout the duel; teeth on the defensive, bone spear all the other times. The necros I was dueling were good enough to know that. Take for example, the scene where one necro namelocks me with spear and holds it down. He knew I was about to telestomp him and was doing it in hopes I'd be foolish enough to tele close, and knew not to chain it because I had dragged him through fissures before as he did exactly that (watch the video; I'm casting fissures on my feet while I'm namelocked, waiting for him to stomp). He knew perfectly well that as long as he held down that namelock, I had to retreat offmap and come back or be unable to engage him.


I lol'd so hard.

A good necro will lead characters into bone spirit trains. You have no fucking clue what you on about, stfu. If those were the best bone necros on east then (1) you are full of shit or else (2) you suck hard and (3) east sucks hard along with you.

And Oak Sage doesnt die that easily, dont be a fucking tard. Either way, the way you reason, might as well not have any spirit. Only noob guides say HoW > Sage.

Stop making multi accounts and stick to your imaginary dreamland where shamans with HoW dominate PvP. You killed a shitty bone necro, big deal. Thats about it.
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I lol'd so hard.

A good necro will lead characters into bone spirit trains. You have no fucking clue what you on about, stfu. If those were the best bone necros on east then (1) you are full of shit or else (2) you suck hard and (3) east sucks hard along with you.

And Oak Sage doesnt die that easily, dont be a fucking tard. Either way, the way you reason, might as well not have any spirit. Only noob guides say HoW > Sage.

Stop making multi accounts and stick to your imaginary dreamland where shamans with HoW dominate PvP. You killed a shitty bone necro, big deal. Thats about it.


I lol'd so hard.
necro can use spirits too, but spear is the thing that hurts most here usually
oak sage dies to 1 hit to pretty much everything
his reasioning is fine. Spirits die same time and/or earlier when they or you take damage in most cases, so +life is useless. Spirits dont die while you deal damage, so +damage is good to have
and spirit is always good for the minion stack

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Thanks for the lecture, nvm.
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I lol'd so hard.
necro can use spirits too, but spear is the thing that hurts most here usually
oak sage dies to 1 hit to pretty much everything
his reasioning is fine. Spirits die same time and/or earlier when they or you take damage in most cases, so +life is useless. Spirits dont die while you deal damage, so +damage is good to have
and spirit is always good for the minion stack


spears bypass spirits by just a little bit of damage, which after 1/6 PvP penalty is an even smaller difference, a good bone necro knows how to get his enemies on the move and lead them into a barrage of spirit trains and teeth. Bone spear moves faster sure, but unless the character is in range and not teleporting like mad, then you aint gonna do much with it.

That necro in the video just namelocked all the time and actually thought he was going to get a lucky snipe shot at the druid lol. He was horrible.



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Quote (mvm199 @ Sat, 10 Oct 2009, 00:09)
spears bypass spirits by just a little bit of damage, which after 1/6 PvP penalty is an even smaller difference, a good bone necro knows how to get his enemies on the move and lead them into a barrage of spirit trains and teeth. Bone spear moves faster sure, but unless the character is in range and not teleporting like mad, then you aint gonna do much with it.

That necro in the video just namelocked all the time and actually thought he was going to get a lucky snipe shot at the druid lol. He was horrible.


im not talking about damage here lol

you can go offensive with spear and its really effective
you can do that spirit stuff too, but you should mostly use spear here
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I lol'd a little bit too.
Like tooduu saiz, its not a matter of raw damage. Its better to use an attack which you can actually hit with, which does less damage. So for example, a 2000 damage wake of fire is a million times scarier than a 50k damage impale. Bone Spirit is mostly useless in necro vs shaman. Its only going to hit anyone if you're l8zing like the devil himself, which is already a flawed way to argue in the first place. Bone Spear makes up 90% of your damage in necro vs shaman instead, and teeth the other 10%. Bone spear, unlike bone spirit, will hit straight through minion stack, travels much faster, and thus when either you stomp the shaman, or the shaman stomps you, it will hit him (if aiming the right direction), whereas bone spirit just leaves you impotent and dead.

And PS: that wasn't "a necro" in the video, it was 3 or 4 different necros; each duel was a different person.
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