No one wants to hear useless angry rants from a troll who is jealous because he can not write a better guide.

Dupes? Your characters don't use Enigma/CTA ? All the highrunes you used are self found? And your English barely makes any sense.

This post was edited by WhiteReflection on Jul 28 2009 03:56pm

You will find that he doesn't use any HR's or runewords that need them, unless he found them himself.

Indeed I have never made a runeword higher than Delirium (Ist) even though I've found a couple of HR's and enough Gul's to cube at least another Ohm.

It's all about how you play the game, and some of us play only with self found items. Makes us better players of our characters though, since I at least also only play HCL which means having to learn to survive. Last year's HR's are this years Charsi food. That's why I never plan around them, since you can't plan getting them.

No Serdra in the credits =/


Glad to see you took our advice somewhere, and used my personal suggestion of WF + mass ias gear with pride merc



I still prefer a faith merc because they don't die as often. If you go with pride, put it in a non eth normal weapon for chaos, the fastest you can get and just put crushing blow gear on him.


as this is a glass cannon zon i would suggest Harmony on switch for mobility


8/10. The 8 is for concept, originality (this is the only guide i've seen for such a divergent setup), spelling, detail, etc.

-1 for typos and difficult to read layout (The colors are too bright and it's difficult to read)

-1 for minor gear choices, from a mathematical and objective standpoint.

low dmg non eth pride, eth treachery, gully helm ber/um



boo is better for tank since dia kills almost everything that he summons.
lightning attack of dia, should be cut by a mosers/sanctuary + eth titan
there is a lot of option

I have been lurking throughout this thread/discussion/debate and just need to verify something.

2 frame strafe 120 IAS is not possible due to game mechanics and limitations in client/server side interaction
3 frame strafe 95 IAS is the desireable breakpoint we are after.

If this is the case, wouldn't it be more ideal to replace the 160/60 armor with fortitude as 120 IAS will not provide any benefits due to game mechanics.

Sorry, if I have misunderstood something from this discussion. Has anyone actually tried this vs the faith rogue merc?

~ duncan

This post was edited by junko_hc on Jul 28 2009 10:29pm

It's all answered here:



Strafe is not the only attack you will use, most likely Strafe/multie 50/50, and 150 IAS helps you hit the 8 frame multie IAS bp. Thus the argument over 2 frame strafe is a waste of time because this build requires 150 IAS to hit the 8 frame multie IAS bp.

Thanks for clearing things up.

I am predominately a multi shot user so I now see how 150 IAS may be beneficial for me, if thats the case.

I'll give it a go

~ Duncan

This post was edited by junko_hc on Jul 28 2009 10:34pm

1) if you want to pvm... use a hdin or a sorc... theres no need to pvm with a zon
2) you res and life are horrible. if you got ganged up on and/or walked into a pool of monsters on accident u'd be dead in under 5 secs.
3) you cant show a s/s of you damage with merc on you lol. that hides the real damage. might as well get a full chant sorc + bo barb and buff before you s/s your stats lol
4) ps. what did everyone else tell you. ladder = mf. and you did a perfect example of it with a PVM character lol. maybe u should stick to pvming
5) now why dont you go release you "pvp" vt guide and have them compare that with mine. apparently you still think your 2.4k smite + 5.7k foh vt is better than mine lol

(ps this isnt spam. i did a criticism on your build as well)

This post was edited by Azn Masta on Jul 28 2009 11:01pm

Most of this is because you have something against him obviously due to the childish v/t debate/flamewar.

1) This game is about fun, no one wants to play a sorc/hdin all of the time, zons are very fun to play and still viable.
2) Glass cannon is glass. The idea is that you don't get ganged up on or walk into a pool of monsters. If you did that would make you bad, zons have way too many ways to keep from being hit.
3) This is PvM, Mercs are an integral part of many builds. Are you implying that he won't be able to use a merc?
4) There is nothing that binds one's will to MFing purely because they are playing ladder. It is a choice anyone can make regardless of realm/core/ladder
5) Spiteful, off-topic, cheap shot. Nice one.


I have nothing against you personally, but seriously, why do you even post in each others topics? Either it makes you feel like a big man or it brings uncomfortable conflict. Either way it's an act of stupidity.

This post was edited by Serdra on Jul 28 2009 11:06pm

How did this flame war all started?
It all started when I posted my perfect geared ladder #1 V/T in the trophy room and this little kid with large e-peen (you can tell how large his e-peen is by looking at his name, lol) decided to slam my build & posting his own NL unperm gear'ed V/T next to mine. Until then, I have never heard of this random's name when everyone pretty much knew I have #1 V/T & Smiter on ESCL.

Here is some hard truth for you, little "I can not keep my dick in my pants" kiddo:
1. Your V/T is far from #1 even on NL and people have claimed slamming your V/T in V/T duels numerous times already.
2. Tons of respected people have already explained to you that your NL V/T build does not apply to ladder, since ladder doesn't have all that bugged unperm amulet / boots etc and people duel in hell difficulty instead of nightmare --- It's actually worth to invest more in resist and replace some of the Pcombats with resist charms.
3. Your build = Fail on ladder, yet you stubbornly wouldn't listen and continued to sprout more useless rant which ended up giving you 20% warn.
4. Everyone on ladder still turns to me for the best V/T builds because they think your guide is completely idiotic along with the "which VT build is better" poll

Now no more off topic reply please.

This post was edited by WhiteReflection on Jul 29 2009 01:05pm