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Nov 22 2009 11:41am
Quote (Spartikis @ 22 Nov 2009 18:12)
This is a great build and i have had the opportunity to duel against it numerous times. I highly recommend it for a sticky thread.

There is no reason who poison should be bm. It receives the same penalties as any other dmg so why are you cry about it? The only people who think it is BM are these pathetic glass cannon amazons who have to do private duels in nightmare difficulty because they have negative res in hell and cant stay alive more than 10 seconds outside of town in a pub dueling game. You people either need to man up and build a decent character with some resistance or GTFO.

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Penalties aren't the only factor you have to worry about.
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Nov 22 2009 12:19pm
Quote (Tails chao @ Nov 22 2009 01:41pm)
Penalties aren't the only factor you have to worry about.


please name a few then. I'm sure the only thing people are concerned about when they say poison is BM is their negative resistance and how they feel it is "unfair"
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please name a few then. I'm sure the only thing people are concerned about when they say poison is BM is their negative resistance and how they feel it is "unfair"


How easy the skill is to connect, it's the same logic behind Hammerdins being shit.

And all my chars are bulky ;/
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Quote (Tails chao @ Nov 22 2009 09:30am)
Poison bowazons are a completely different story because GA is almost impossible to avoid while on the offense. Rabies, ww, plague etc are all avoidable.


poison damage based on charms is so slow and weak compared to ww sins, plague, rabies or psn necs. Poison zons are by no means impossible to kill, or any poison charm char, so its still illogical why psn charm based chars are seen as bm still today.
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Nov 22 2009 03:05pm
Quote (Mattd90 @ Nov 22 2009 04:03pm)
poison damage based on charms is so slow and weak compared to ww sins, plague, rabies or psn necs. Poison zons are by no means impossible to kill, or any poison charm char, so its still illogical why psn charm based chars are seen as bm still today.


Because shooting 1 arrow and then holding down teleport for 5 minutes while they damage is stupid.
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Nov 22 2009 03:08pm
Quote (drt1245 @ Nov 22 2009 04:05pm)
Because shooting 1 arrow and then holding down teleport for 5 minutes while they damage is stupid.


25% chance it will hit if u manage to get a lock on him or w/e. The damage is slow and weak compared to hitting a poison nova and running, or landing rabies and runningg or landingg plague and running or w/e.

plus.. any zon who duels like that sucks. Period.

way to duel on a poison zon is to land a hit, run a little, spam more arrows on ur opponent. 1-2k physical dmg + crit still hurts, expecially combined with poison.
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Quote (Mattd90 @ 22 Nov 2009 22:03)
poison damage based on charms is so slow and weak compared to ww sins, plague, rabies or psn necs. Poison zons are by no means impossible to kill, or any poison charm char, so its still illogical why psn charm based chars are seen as bm still today.


How slow it is is pretty much irrelevant on a tele zon, they're so good at playing defensive that it doesn't matter if you're not retarded. "Weak" also depends on how much time the zon is willing to waste. For example, Venom is seen as a strong skill because you can consistently apply it for high damage over time, but zons can just run around like a retard and achieve the same results with no risk of safety.

I never said they were "impossible" to kill, but their means of dealing poison is vastly different, it shouldn't even be a comparison.

It's a stupid gay playstyle, but regardless, it works and any zon that's willing enough to win will utilise it.

/e "25% chance to hit" is assuming EVERY PERSON IN THE WORLD builds max block.

This post was edited by Tails chao on Nov 22 2009 03:27pm
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Quote (Tails chao @ Nov 22 2009 04:26pm)
How slow it is is pretty much irrelevant on a tele zon, they're so good at playing defensive that it doesn't matter if you're not retarded. "Weak" also depends on how much time the zon is willing to waste. For example, Venom is seen as a strong skill because you can consistently apply it for high damage over time, but zons can just run around like a retard and achieve the same results with no risk of safety.

I never said they were "impossible" to kill, but their means of dealing poison is vastly different, it shouldn't even be a comparison.

It's a stupid gay playstyle, but regardless, it works and any zon that's willing enough to win will utilise it.


well... a 12 frame tele is obviously hard to catch up to... except when your using any sorc/pala/barb/druid/sin/nec. Throw in some poison res, and then the zon is relying alot on some of that physical damage she is dealing.
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Quote (Mattd90 @ 22 Nov 2009 22:28)
well... a 12 frame tele is obviously hard to catch up to... except when your using any sorc/pala/barb/druid/sin/nec. Throw in some poison res, and then the zon is relying alot on some of that physical damage she is dealing.


There's a lot you can do to avoid stuff rather than holding down teleport though, half those characters described shoot projectiles in a straight line (nec sorc sin, although the nec can prison it's still pretty stupid) so smart use of zig-zag walks/semi-circle walks combined with teleport will make the zon rather evasive, not to mention they're very durable in the first place. barbs should really not be difficult, it's really easy to walk out of ww locks on a zon to the point where it's pretty lame. I can't see it effecting druids much, though. The hit and run play style is all the room they need to resummon protection without feeling pressured.

and why will you need to rely on physical damage? there have been plenty of barbs who always wait for the 8 second duration of open wounds to finish before going in for another triwhirl, it's free damage and it works.
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