Oak is 99% of the time better.

Ss lifers are better with big damage weapons like botdz, and small charms are better with lower damage erep fools weapons like phase blades. They are also better with daggers.

So now that ebotdz is hitting 4 frame would you still be running it with a raven or go the double stat ring?

First of all, thanks for sharing all this info.

Character sheet shows higher damage with max AR lifers compared to ss lifers with both botd and edc. Am I missing some other benefit from ss lifers here here or max AR life are better with all high ed weapons?

What do you recommend for jewels? Stats or ed?

Regarding gear, I assume botd would work with Guillaume + angelics and edc with Cerebus. Other than 5-6 fury 2os pelt, are there any other options for the head slot? Would a coa work with a 30 Str / 80 life ow belt?

Is there any point investing in a 5 fury visionary helm with one socket?

Fury no longer stays at 4 frame when chilled, so you'll want the raven or a Cham.

My kingdom for an updated fury/rabies pvp guide for d2r…

This whole guide feels outdated now -- particularly the weapon section.

This post was edited by Tiltedaxis on Jun 11 2022 01:10pm

You will have higher max damage, but lower min damage, and usually less average damage. Even though max is higher, the average hit you land will be more consistent vs a chance for higher max crits. It's ultimately kind of a tossup. The only weapon that you would absolutely never use SS lifers for is a dagger class since they are already getting a massive amount of enhanced damage from str/dex and + damage adds considerably more damage.




The best pure damage jewel is 18min-18max, and 30 max is a close second. The best balanced jewel is probably like 7fhr/30ed/9dex and then either ar or str based on where you put it. Mostly it's about filling in gaps. If you need to hit 42 FHR and a 7 fhr jewel in your helm or shield gets you there, then focus on 7fhr and stats and then ed. 7/9/9 with ar or extra life is usable. Damage gain from ed% jewel isn't really huge.

Like if you add 30% ed jewel and you're using an EDC, that's only adding about 50 to min and 100 to max on the char screen. After 50% dr and the 17% pvp penalty you're looking at a 30%ed jewel adding around 4 min to 8 max damage. So it's not that significant. Over a duel where each player lands 13 or so hits it's about 80 damage total. 8 life after BO and lycanthropy and oak sage is about 97 life. So if you were dueling someone with the exact same gear as you and the same level and everything is exactly the same exact he has a 7/30/9/9 jewel in his helm and you have a 7fhfr/8life/9dex/9str jewel you would have a slightly higher win rate.

Too much analysis? Sorry lol. It's all very marginal considering most of your damage and life aren't coming from jewels.




GFace and Cere are the basics. Pelts are usually worse than Cerebus or Jalals unless they are absolutely insane. And I just don't think it's worth spending 80k FG on something that gets you barely more stats than Cerebus. Since ias works in gear now and not just weapons, 80/30 CoA can actually help a lot of weapons now. Or you can toss a Cham and stats jewel for EDC, or even two stats jewels if you dont use angelics. Lots of options here. CoA and Blood belt gets you a lot of HP at a sacrifice of attack rating.




Only if you like how it looks and are OK with it being worse than Jalals.




Yes, I am working on making a new guide for D2R. Haven't had the time yet, and I've still been leveling and working on gear and testing what works and doesn't work now. I'm always happy to answer questions when people bump this, though.

In the meantime, I made this so people can check out weapons in 2.4: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1dJNjAE4PI6-Fzaguv9R7ErXNI572LLA9znDPSYRoqsU/edit#gid=1417766750

This post was edited by inkanddagger on Jun 11 2022 01:18pm

What about a -req/9/9 jewel in stormshield?
For a botd + guillaume setup this is effectively a 10str/9/9 jewel. It gets even better for edc / cerebus at 23str/9/9

Yes if you build to eth spirit and a -req storm, you need the 9 str in order to equip rends, but it's a good strategy.

I have been on working on a melee battle simulator for a while. Adding an easy domain to forward to my spreadsheet. I'll make an actual website eventually, but for now it's useful for comparing builds:

d2melee.com

Only Fury/Zeal/Conc on there for now. Also a weapon damage tab for elite weapons with a Fury breakpoint calc.

This post was edited by inkanddagger on Jul 5 2022 11:05am