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Jun 29 2011 12:28am
Quote (SumoSalad @ Jun 28 2011 11:53pm)
~damach Zon Guide~ > Holy Shi Damach Zon Sex

What the fuck is Damach?

What the fuck does Sex have to do with this guide?

Stupid titles, but the contents are brilliant.

Nice, well-written guide, just dont use stupid titles


What the fuck kind of sumo are you?

Are you eating a salad right now? Are you a salad? What the fuck kind of sumo eats a salad?

Nice avatar but what does it have to do with you?

Nice post though and I found it instructive
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Jun 29 2011 03:18am
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What the fuck kind of sumo are you?

Are you eating a salad right now? Are you a salad? What the fuck kind of sumo eats a salad?

Nice avatar but what does it have to do with you?

Nice post though and I found it instructive



Just admit it...it is weird..Sex has nothing to do with this Zon...yes it is GG, I never said it wasnt, but seriously, dont be so obsessed with sex to the point you have to include it in this guide lol...

By the way, yes, nice Zon when I get back to D2 definitely trying to give this one a go.

Just concerned about the price tho lol , I assume it must be so expensive huh?
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Jun 29 2011 03:24am
Quote (SumoSalad @ Jun 29 2011 03:18am)
Just admit it...it is weird..Sex has nothing to do with this Zon...yes it is GG, I never said it wasnt, but seriously, dont be so obsessed with sex to the point you have to include it in this guide lol...

By the way, yes, nice Zon when I get back to D2 definitely trying to give this one a go.

Just concerned about the price tho lol , I assume it must be so expensive huh?


Actually the problem was the length limit and auto-capitalization on the description line. The full description reads:

HOLY SHI DAMACH ZON SEX OMG KILLER DILLER PERKELE OMOMGOMGOMGOMGAWD !!!!!1111ONEONEONE COCK
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Jun 29 2011 04:20am
I prefer pretzels build.

Tested it:
68fcr, 4,2k ga dmg max frames, 37k psn dmg, max res hell :)
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Jun 29 2011 04:57am
Quote (Goomshill @ Jun 29 2011 01:09am)
The arrows can be surprisingly effective in terms of knocking someone down a peg.
In terms of raw damage output, with crit factored in you have about a 5865 damage/second from guided arrow, which is enough to shave off 500-1000 hp or 750 mana per second

Now I gotta stress, killing people at 1 hp isn't a problem. Hell, you can finish them off with a second plague cloud more often than not. Its way easier to finish someone with fury than garrow for sure
But what matters is being able to use garrow to fight long range battles.



For example, if you're dueling a fireball sorc, and she plays by going 3 screens away and shooting, and keeping her distance from you so as not to wander into plagues.
Going pure java, you're really short on options. You can chase her around and try to unsummon lock her to stomp her with CS, but thats extremely risky
Whether she suspects it and turns around, or is just blindly firing at you, if you get stuck in a fireball stomp and dodgelocked she'll take 0 damage and you'll take a ton and probably die

But with guided arrow, you can fight on the offensive against Fireball sorcs, Blizz sorcs, Lightning sorcs, Bone or Poison necros, Trappers, other Bowazons
Without a garrow that can damage them, you have a much tougher time going on the offensive- you're pretty much stuck playing defensively, throwing javelins and waiting for them to come to you

Heck, often in ZvS, I'll find myself using chainlocked garrow against people who are playing defensively. I'll actually be switching between chainlocked teleports and guided arrows on top of them, because the KB stops them from turning around and slamming me
(and when you land on top with garrow and KB them at melee range it interrupts their teleports, too).

With CTA? I wouldn't be able to do any of that.




Its all a balancing act after all. Do you get more utility from the extra charm space, or from having 2.25x the bow damage? I believe bow damage.
If there was a 2x3 charm that said "+600% enhanced damage and 300% ar to bow only and +15% all resists", I'd use that with CTA instead of faith bow
But thats the difference- the equivalent of 600% or so enhanced damage (and 15% resists, and 300% ar)


I wouldn't sacrifice big amounts of gear to boost my bow damage, but I'd keep it all in balance. Having a bow swap is 10000000000000x better than say a wizspike swap, despite that getting better FCR and resists. Its all about weighing the options




I do like the comparison though, always good input


Where do you have knockback on your gear? If there's a revised list of gear thats quite different from that on the first page - you should probs repost :P

Also - how does the ga do 1k dmg to health, assuming 0 dr% / prd , ga will do slightly less then 50 dmg to health to a 95 es sorc per second. Thats not a lot when a sorc will heal about 2 hp per second just from having hoto! ( this is also assuming 0 pdr / dr% too ).

Fair enough points on the ""psychology" of the opponent with lower ga dmg tho :)

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Jun 29 2011 05:05am
reposting would make us lose the wonderful 88 pages of commentary
but the updated guide is every dozen pages or so.

GA does 500-1000 DPS to the HP of characters being hit by it, or 750 mana to sorcs. Not both at the same time, one or the other. Its about 6000 DPS all things considered.
Now people like to trumpet "4.2k garrow" or whatever, but they only look at max damage. You might get 2000, maybe 2500 on a telezon in terms of average.
But the damage on faith here is easily enough to pummel casters who are soaking it up. It won't 1 hit anyone, it won't kill them faster than they can respond- it will just take off appreciably large chunks.

Its pretty common for me to nail down a vita sorc for 25% of her hp in a chain of arrows. And when you do that, thats what drives people to use different tactics.


But yeah, its listed:

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Faith Shadow Bow
Eth Titans (or godly 400/40/4/eth/rep javas)
Stormshield
Enigma
Griffon's Eye (15/15)
+2 javas / 20% ias / knockback rare glove (+resists)
Arachs
Rare all resists boots
1x FCR ring (+resists, stats, etc)
1x Ravenfrost
+2 Zon 17%+ FCR amulet
9x Java/Life Skillers (nn fhr on zon)
10x 20/5 scs
Torch/Anni
Sub charm slots out as necessary for cube or directly placed CTA- 1 less skiller and 1 less sc works, or 2 less skillers for cta in inventory (much easier to swap out without dropping it)

20 plague
20 poison
20 charged strike
20 lightning fury
1 guided arrow
1 d/a/e
1 valk (might as well if you get slow missiles for pubs- otherwise you can skip these points for more CS damage)
1 crit/penetrate/pierce
rest lightning bolt- remember this is used over fury against BvA's
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Jun 29 2011 05:10am
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reposting would make us lose the wonderful 88 pages of commentary
but the updated guide is every dozen pages or so.

GA does 500-1000 DPS to the HP of characters being hit by it, or 750 mana to sorcs. Not both at the same time, one or the other. Its about 6000 DPS all things considered.
Now people like to trumpet "4.2k garrow" or whatever, but they only look at max damage. You might get 2000, maybe 2500 on a telezon in terms of average.
But the damage on faith here is easily enough to pummel casters who are soaking it up. It won't 1 hit anyone, it won't kill them faster than they can respond- it will just take off appreciably large chunks.

Its pretty common for me to nail down a vita sorc for 25% of her hp in a chain of arrows. And when you do that, thats what drives people to use different tactics.


But yeah, its listed:


ah y i misunderstood, but ye 750 dmg/sec to mana is nothing, an es fb can almost regen that normally- i doubt that would pressure the sorc

And for updated list
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Jun 29 2011 05:57am
I'd be more concerned about vita sorcs. I hear ES sorcs have a soft spot for poison (and cs)
And even with level ~30 warmth, a sorc regenerates about 1/27 of her max mana per second. To regen 750/sec, she'd need 20,250 mana or so.
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Jun 29 2011 06:55am
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I'd be more concerned about vita sorcs. I hear ES sorcs have a soft spot for poison (and cs)
And even with level ~30 warmth, a sorc regenerates about 1/27 of her max mana per second. To regen 750/sec, she'd need 20,250 mana or so.


With like 5k mana and 400 mana regen i see its like 200 mana/sec, ( feels like more when playing lol ) but still this means any damage you do to mana would be nullified when sorc goes offscreen for a few seconds.

About the point on more concerned about es sorcs - dont vita sorcs reduce to 1 hp jus as easy from poison?
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Jun 29 2011 07:13am
nope because vita sorcs tend to have maxed resistances and much higher HP
but CS is a huuuuuuge boon against ES sorcs, don't underwrite that. A single shot drains 4000+ mana if all bolts connect.
And the formula for mana regen is 1/120 of their max mana per second, multiplied by % mana regen (ie +300% = 4x), so its easy enough to figure out


but yes, ES sorcs will nullify damage by going offscreen for a few seconds. Thats what ES sorcs do. And thats how they win their duels- by trading blows and keeping their mana up and being defensive.
and lots of chars, like bone necros, struggle against that.

But guided arrow is actually the real champ here. In fact, all the damach zons skills are especially good at raping ES sorcs. But heres the thing
ES sorcs win duels by retreating before their mana is broken, and because of ES you can't throw them into FHR via damage to stop them from teleporting away when low- unlike a bone necro holding down spear on a sucker and immobilizing them as they die

But guided arrow has a built in 50% fhr chance due to knockback, and thats what rapes the ES sorcs here. Its very, very easy to chain enough hits in a row to cripple a sorc or outright kill her
ES sorcs often lack FHR entirely, something ridiculous like 10-15 frames for FHR. Add on 6-9 frames for blocking, its very easy to pin down a sorc under a stream of garrows.
So when it rains, its pours. Unlike bone spears, a sorc can't just teleport away and regen- garrows will pin them down and keep interrupting their casts.
Often they'll get away, and thats like. Sometimes they wont. Against me, they'll probably have to deal with chainlocked tele/ga abuse.


But lets face it. CS kills es sorcs in 1 telestomp, I've seen plague clouds 1-hit-kill es sorcs (not just drain them to 1, but kill them in the same cloud), and garrow pins em down. Fury ain't shabby either but you won't win with it alone, since fireball is stronger
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