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Mar 30 2022 06:52am
Quote (Koston @ Mar 29 2022 08:02pm)
Everything I've read has been very optimistic and hopeful, especially compared to what happened with the PTR that happened a couple months ago when they made wereforms completely unplayable. Blizz is clearly trying to turn it around and help us. We aren't exactly sure how IAS will be calculated yet, which seems to be the deciding factor in all of this in terms of "is shapeshift melee dead now" but, both calculations that have been proposed seem to be massive improvements over what we had now and what we had in LoD. It looks like they are trying to open up way more build diversity, and they will be allowing you to get IAS from all of your gear rather than just your weapon. So, short answer is, we aren't 100% sure what they're doing, but, in general, it seems a large and significant buff is finally coming our way (as Blizzard has been promising)


NGL I watched a fireclaw 2.4 review youtube video.. I don't have high hopes. Tho they made more skill points available for FC to max out earlier.. the attack speed is abysmal with the standard 6 shael phase blade.

That was my absolute fav pvp char. It might not have been the best out there but on the right matchups it held its own. NGL ill honestly be pretty upset if that isnt fixed =(
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NGL I watched a fireclaw 2.4 review youtube video.. I don't have high hopes. Tho they made more skill points available for FC to max out earlier.. the attack speed is abysmal with the standard 6 shael phase blade.

That was my absolute fav pvp char. It might not have been the best out there but on the right matchups it held its own. NGL ill honestly be pretty upset if that isnt fixed =(



I think the only way to play it now is to mix physical damage like a grief phase. Still hitting the same speed as the shael phase.
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I think the only way to play it now is to mix physical damage like a grief phase. Still hitting the same speed as the shael phase.



Is this for wolf or bear?
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Quote (Koston @ Mar 30 2022 02:02am)
Everything I've read has been very optimistic and hopeful, especially compared to what happened with the PTR that happened a couple months ago when they made wereforms completely unplayable. Blizz is clearly trying to turn it around and help us. We aren't exactly sure how IAS will be calculated yet, which seems to be the deciding factor in all of this in terms of "is shapeshift melee dead now" but, both calculations that have been proposed seem to be massive improvements over what we had now and what we had in LoD. It looks like they are trying to open up way more build diversity, and they will be allowing you to get IAS from all of your gear rather than just your weapon. So, short answer is, we aren't 100% sure what they're doing, but, in general, it seems a large and significant buff is finally coming our way (as Blizzard has been promising)


I agree on this.
What small test i did i was able to run ~3 fpa with giant tresher and ~4 fpa with +20 wsm maul.
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Quote (inkanddagger @ Mar 30 2022 11:15pm)
I think the only way to play it now is to mix physical damage like a grief phase. Still hitting the same speed as the shael phase.


Its not^^

Those formulas are known and you will need so inzane ammounts of ias to reach the 6fpa break even with phaseblade and giant tresher.
Bears are destroyed. Wolf are buffed. Bear needs faster frames per direction or Animation speed of around 450 to 550 to be viable again. I also think it was max 6 fpa with polearms and 7 fpa with phaseblade(still pretty unreachable on a usefull gear)

This post was edited by gel87 on Apr 6 2022 10:31am
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Its not^^

Those formulas are known and you will need so inzane ammounts of ias to reach the 6fpa break even with phaseblade and giant tresher.
Bears are destroyed. Wolf are buffed. Bear needs faster frames per direction or Animation speed of around 450 to 550 to be viable again. I also think it was max 6 fpa with polearms and 7 fpa with phaseblade(still pretty unreachable on a usefull gear)



Is Wolf fireclaw slow? Fury has regular formula boosting its speed on also got a 40% increase on top of that?

Ps. Would you happen to know how non Druid classes were affect? I’d assume all Bears got nerfed? What about Wolf barbs?

This post was edited by Tarisus on Apr 6 2022 08:59pm
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Quote (Tarisus @ Apr 7 2022 04:57am)
Is Wolf fireclaw slow? Fury has regular formula boosting its speed on also got a 40% increase on top of that?

Ps. Would you happen to know how non Druid classes were affect? I’d assume all Bears got nerfed? What about Wolf barbs?


A wolf reaches the 6 and 7 frames normal/feral attack.
A bear has no SIAS and needs absurd ammounts.

Fury has 30% faster rollback. 70% instead of 100%.
But there was said that it does not completely use the frames per direction of human shape, but the wolf frames per direction slowed by human shape.
I dno, i think its hard to test in d2r and i dont trust the grapic contra the actual hits.

If u read the last pages of this topics a guy found deviants in fury formula(you have to click the github link to see conversation), which lead to a other way of using frames per directions, but all this was based upon his testing which i think was not tested with actual hits, but with the visible swing... If visible swing dont match actual hits his testing would be off. But i dno, i dont have a fast enough pc to test^^
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removed per request hahahaha

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Did fury druids get a noticeable buff in 2.4?
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