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Jan 29 2022 01:27pm
Quote (Exokek @ Jan 29 2022 01:17pm)
Yeah; that's my thinking, too. I don't like Merc dependency for DPS builds.

On A1 Merc Faith, if you wanna use a GG belt with Grief/Runemaster, you'd want a Phase Blade base to hit 9 frames.
Otherwise it's zAxe + Rune Master + Goldwrap.

The DPS build is way less efficient when the timer is at 50-60s, but it's capable of competing at 40s, and probably (?) better if there's no timer.


Yeah if we went grief pb/6x lemd' pb we would gain 25 gold (negligible), better kill speed however we lose 66 stat points into dex which cost us roughly 600 health with BO

But the kill speed + extra AR would be insane.

With my current build (far from this type of optimization) I can clear @ 38-45 secs.

I would imagine with one of these builds we could hit low 30's. but yeah these builds wouldn't really be useful for ladder vs your traditional merc setup just due to cost + the time inbetween games
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Jan 29 2022 01:36pm
Dont hate me too much, but I am going to to test rang belt for the cbf.

The EG loss is nerly non existant compared to rune master and 30 lower than with cham. In helm. But I have to admit I am not thinking in budget regions you guys are :) edit: yeah the fhr loss is there.

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Dont hate me too much, but I am going to to test rang belt for the cbf.

The EG loss is nerly non existant compared to rune master and 30 lower than with cham. In helm. But I have to admit I am not thinking in budget regions you guys are :) edit: yeah the fhr loss is there.


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Quote (Bogy619 @ 29 Jan 2022 14:41)
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What a merc should be using :bouncy:


Maybe with 3 Lo Runes =P
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Quote (Bogy619 @ Jan 29 2022 08:41pm)
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What a merc should be using :bouncy:


What a Fury Druid should be using u mean :banana:
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Quote (ExtasyOfGold @ 29 Jan 2022 14:36)
Dont hate me too much, but I am going to to test rang belt for the cbf.

The EG loss is nerly non existant compared to rune master and 30 lower than with cham. In helm. But I have to admit I am not thinking in budget regions you guys are :) edit: yeah the fhr loss is there.


This is a fine Trang Setup: https://d2.maxroll.gg/d2planner/2801061m#6
Just swap out all the MF runes/charms with GF, for instance.



Also worth nothing that Laying of Hands for DPS builds cuts down on the time substantially; unless you're already waiting on the timer each game, probably worth looking into over Chancies.
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Jan 29 2022 01:49pm
Quote (Exokek @ Jan 29 2022 01:46pm)
This is a fine Trang Setup: https://d2.maxroll.gg/d2planner/2801061m#6
Just swap out all the MF runes/charms with GF, for instance.

^AlphaofAlphas

Also worth nothing that Laying of Hands for DPS builds cuts down on the time substantially; unless you're already waiting on the timer each game, probably worth looking into over Chancies.


I haven't even considered laying of hands. That would be great instead of switching to goldwrap to hit last BP with ac1 merc I can use my ba axe and runemaster instead of PB.

Would sacrifice 40% mf 200% gold vs nice demon damage and Ias.

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Quote (AlphaofAlphas @ Jan 29 2022 02:49pm)
I haven't even considered laying of hands. That would be great instead of switching to goldwrap to hit last BP with ac1 merc I can use my ba axe and runemaster instead of PB.

Would sacrifice 40% mf 200% gold vs nice demon damage and Ias.


If you're using grief, LoH still provides noticeable dps increase, but imo not worth the huge 200gf loss. If using a budget setup like eth Oath, it's practically mandatory. Or if you happen to be optimizing for runes/mf.

To chime in on the more "lazy" and less micro builds - the zerker with grief/6x lem offhand is fine but positioning/survivability can still be an issue while playing on Switch. I use to run a WW build that was much smoother in that regard - just telestomp and don't really have to worry about getting mobbed. It's noticeably less gold though due to loss of 6xlems while dpsing.
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Quote (daanno2 @ 29 Jan 2022 16:26)
If you're using grief, LoH still provides noticeable dps increase, but imo not worth the huge 200gf loss. If using a budget setup like eth Oath, it's practically mandatory. Or if you happen to be optimizing for runes/mf.

To chime in on the more "lazy" and less micro builds - the zerker with grief/6x lem offhand is fine but positioning/survivability can still be an issue while playing on Switch. I use to run a WW build that was much smoother in that regard - just telestomp and don't really have to worry about getting mobbed. It's noticeably less gold though due to loss of 6xlems while dpsing.


Interesting; Laying of Hands was the difference for me between 1-2 tapping mobs or 2-3 tapping them, which was a huge boost in efficiency.
I might need to mess with WW more; curious how it goes.

Dual Grief I assume?
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