how do you expect to hit trap bp with 2x suwayyah?

you will hit ww bp on both claws btw, bp is -13mwsm
but still its a moot point since 2x suwayyah is a bad idea. you want your trap speeds. suwayyah fools is a bad claw. get a feral or runic instead.

what i meant was.. get a suy with 40 ias on it, it has 2 sockets. so if i put another sheal or 2, would it hit the trap laying?

2x suwayyah = 125 ias required for traps
suwayyah+runic fools wsm bugged = 19ias required for traps

remember only primary claw + nonweapon ias counts, the 35ias on chaos will not count towards this.

fools suwayyah is a bad claw.
wsm bugging also places the slower claw offhand so you can't even wsm bug with a faster chaos if you wanted to use a suwayyah fools and keep it primary.

also using sockets for 2x shaels would mean no Um runes so that gimps the claw quite a bit.

This post was edited by Ziecheik on Jan 19 2012 02:23pm

Using a fools/cruels suwayyah ain't even that bad, even tho a war fist would be better for sure.
The 75 ias requirement (chaos runics) can be achieved with highlords + 1-2 ias jewels depending on the amount of base ias.

ya that would be the only way to use it really.
what I meant is that it couldn't be used for wsm bugging if you wanted to keep it primary. so it complicates things quite a bit. but ya you are right the bp is reachable with standard equip and some 40/15s in helm. just watch out for slow%.

Well, slow will fuck up the trap laying bp of your suw-rt/wf-rt combo anyway (just the suw-rt combo would need 125 ias after 10% slow - 20 hl, 30 circ, 40base, 35 ias jewel+shael in the suw olololololol)
However that might be not that bad since the traps are just a support for your maxed mb stunning, for hybsins and trappers the trap laying speed should me more important but I'm not that much into ghosts and never played one so I can't really tell if the 10 fpa trap laying speed is ok..

I think 9fpa is still a big deal on ghosts, but I like wf/runic anyway since the only character you need to use traps offensively against with %slow is zons.

I didn't notice any mention of angelics in there. I can tear through most pal/barbs on ladder atm, but I find I stand no chance vs paladins n barbs without angelics.
How do you manage with just the ar from fools claw.

@ azn masta vs drake miller

i doub tthat only helm defense can make that difference.
as new ghost player dont know exactly mechanics of cloak of shadows in pvp
does it affects other players defense? if it does, does higher level overrides lower lvl (like conviction).
maxed cloak of shadows can make difference in gvg anyway

actually defense can be quite a duel breaker, especially considering the gear slot it is coming from. Drake does know what he is doing, and some of the things he did generally aren't discussed much since ghosts are built ghost vs all primarily and gvg is just a fun duel to partake in.
I have to say some of the choices drake made are pretty smart and I wish I woulda tried them years ago when I was into gvg. although I was more interested in ghost vs all at the time.

about cloak: cloak isn't something that will really win a duel by itself, it should be used from time to time, but it can be negated by the opponent throwing up his own cloak, and also fade reduces the duration of the curse effect so it's not like it lasts long in gvg anyway. if you can get one whirl pass after cloaking (cursed) and uncloaked (unbuffed) opponent you can get quite a bit of hits in and be at advantage in that particular duel, but thats only if you can get away with a whirl pass right after you cloak.
maxing cloak is a bad idea just cause it will increase the timer and you'll only have one chance to cloak the opponent. it lasting longer isn't as much of a benefit with fade up and the opponent's ability to cloak themselves.