this can be another step Breee, some Aow duel tactics can be part of this game guide, however its called item guide ^^ maybe bigger project

This post was edited by Hamm on Aug 30 2014 08:09am

... dunno what to answer you.. you should be more often around when we BvB, then you'd have another view on the BvB-Community.




yes. Item Guide
BvB isn't really explainable at all, because you have to react different on every opponent.
main part is to dodge + counter and trying to get the control of the duel.
everyone plays different.
I could write down my opinon how to react on Agressive & Defensiv opponents..
but even then there are people that change there way to play every duel.

imo you learn it the best if you play.

This post was edited by Breee on Aug 30 2014 08:24am

useful for new aow players, gj

I don't think you got anything of what i wrote, and i'm surely not "crying" or so but just giving an advice on how a guide on aow should explain the reasons behind the aow rules.

What i meant is exactly that "Botd Enigma Storm combo not rich and one of best.." is the ONLY gear thats possible if you want to make a barb with less than 10k fg.
If you can to spend more you can get better weapons or a gz rare armour, if you cant you will make the same barb as 90% of the people: the same exact thing that happens with ffa, EXCEPT that there you cant make your barb much better by spending xxk fg in it. Hopefully itll be clearer to you this way, but its just what i wrote earlier...



I guess... My point of view on rules that don't make the pvp more enjoyable but merely more expensive won't change. I thought you had figured out some explainations by yourself but i suppose you didn't put too much thought into it

lol, you can use

Eth Shaft
Eth arkaines,
Eth templars,
Eth skullders,
Eth Steel Carapace,
Eth non-bugged Prudence.
Eth Black Hades
...
and ALL these Armors work fine and are cheap, if you don't believe me, test it yourself.



you think that ye?
We have to deal alot with people that classify us as "the wealthy BvB's .." .. and i hear stuff like "Oh, BvB is sooooo Expensive, I will never be able to build up a bvb"
We have to deal alot with people that criticise the BvB's and their Rules, not only on Europe.

these rules DON'T make AoW more expensive, you can have a cheap armor, cheap weapon, cheap helm nowadays.
AND NOW, as the market crashed, this stuff is cheaper than ever before, you can buy a damn 2 soc fools wep for 50 k fg now, while it was months ago nearly IMPOSSIBLE to see such a weapon.
you can make an expensive char, you don't have to. I told you already that I saw barbs with "crap eq" that slammed expensive ones.
the best example is Seabeast, he f**cked us pretty hard with his mostly selffound AoW BvB.

here e.g http://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=71338957&f=54
replace the 322's with 3/19/20's or 3/20/19's and your barb will cost like 1500 fg. or even less

I guess my post http://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=71080957&f=87&p=479514110 should have been enough to understand WHY these rules were set as they are.
they won't be changed anyway.

This post was edited by Breee on Aug 30 2014 10:50am

Art of War is only one section in Barbarian vs Barbarian duels, there is Public Bad maner Barb vs All or Barb vs casters etc. Public Bad maner BvB where you can use grief and any item you wish against other barb,
and there are Good maner BvB and after that Art of War.
If you have high level Barbarian 96+ you can join any section of this duels.
If you have better equipment in any of the section, you are better in duel it is logical. Somebody have more fg so can buy better item, its a game it works like all games worlwide.
Barbarian character is good because many dueling variant builds..

Ahah biggest shit i never hear^^
Btw mate rules was made to make a league, to increase the difficulty of the duel. If you are not agree that's your prob, we wouldn't change rules due to you^^
There were done more than 8 years ago and many people are joining so it proves that all are agree with thoses...
& I'm really disagree with you, you don't need top stuff to win a duel,
Try to make a bvb with high stuff you can find,
I will duel you with this setup :
5bo helm 1 socket ~ value 200fgs
perf enigma ap ~ 50fgs
rare belt 24fhr/30str/60life 113def ~ 100fgs
perf gores up ~ 70fgs
perf steelrend ~ 600fgs
angelic set ~ 10 fgs
perf botd ba ~ 150fgs
perf storm socket ed/str/dex/ar ~ 500fgs
and full invent 3.2.2/anni 20 stats/torch 20stats~ value 4k nowadays...
5.680k fgs
i think it's not so high to make a char...
most of value is the invent.
So take best gear you can and we will see who win..

e/
Btw just about visios 2os and eth sacred armors,
We are making tournaments it's true that's it's better but to take all the chances on our side we duel with them.

This post was edited by Opsss on Aug 30 2014 12:03pm

true , I would play whit eth arreat eni build , and I can win vs SA builds.

Those armors are are the cheap version of the eth selfrep ones... Theyre all not comparable to them and, just like i said, they don't pose a different kind of set (like eni) but just the same set with worse results: food for the ppl who cant afford the good pieces... Shaft and hades are the best in there, and shaft will bring you to use jmod so its a BIT different, but hades is just like an eth-self-2sox armour (and a 2500def one+jewels will cost just like one of those) so i wouldnt refer to it as something different from the main branch...
In the end its just "use a lower tier armor and weapon if you cant afford good ones, or stick with botd/eni". That is to say that they are not bad items, just that they are FIXED slots unless you can afford a 15kfg barb. Moral: aow is just as variable as bvb UNLESS you are rich enough to buy the real gz stuff. Just as i said earlier.

Bvb won't cost like a aow and thats a fact: forti<any aow armor, grief<any rare weapon and = botd, and those 2 slots are the important ones.
The rest is pretty much the same



I don't know why you keep answering with such vague arguments... Just read my posts again



You're missing the point.
I don't mean you cant win with a low end setup or self found items, ofc thats possible with better skills. What i mean is that, while in bvb you can pretty much make an high end barb with 6kfg, in aow you can still improve it by SPENDING FG.
Instead of skills vs skills now its skills+fg vs skills+fg

Anyways... I really wrote everything i had to. Some answers were pertinent, some didn't even understand what in meant. I started this discussion just coz i wanted to give an advice: explain the reasons behind the rules of aow in the intrdoduction of such a thorough aow guide, that was simple.
I didn't see these reasons, and now i see that there probably arent any. But as somebody said, rules are rules and if there are enough people who want to play alongside them (for whatever reason) their purpose is fulfilled ^^

Im out!

lol, I can't agree with you.
Arkaines, Shaft, Hades, Carapace + templars can destroy SA build w/o problems.

Especially Shaft is very strong for the fg you have to spent. I used it alot in the past,
and it is not that expensive.. if you don't soc your jmod with jools worth 4 k fg.
500 fg and u got a solid jmod.. even can be forged with less fg.

Arkaines is BY FAR the BEST 2v2 armor I ever used, and also in 1v1 very very strong.
and the other armors are strong as well too.

the problem with you is, that you never tested this stuff like I did.
and that you said, that there is NO OTHER build except Eni below 10 k fg..
also that AoW is only for the rich people, that is simply bullshit.

gimme a fg amount, and i will build you an AoW that can compete with SA build's, which doesn't contain Eni




1. it's called FFA and not "bvb".. BvB is AoW + FFA.
2. You can Always improve your Chars, in EVERY PvP branch, 6 k fg for an "high end FFA" sound pretty low btw.
alone the right visio can cost up to 10 k+ fg,and a bugbelt is 15k+ as well.
BUT I don't say that it is necessary to buy it.

don't be silly and think the difference between AoW + FFA is that big, fg wise.
in FFA the Grief keeps the balance, in AoW the Botd (if you use it, but 99% do so).

not in FFA, neither in AoW you need the high end gear to win,
in both kinds of BvB you can reach a limit, where you can't longer improve your barb for a real big difference.




I posted what the former thoughts for this rules were.
The original rules were made to play in a league, AoW was a duelling league for all kind of chars, not only Barbarians.
As the League got closed, the BvB-community took them and changed them a little bit.
can't be that hard to understand.

I think the BvB's use them to keep a part of this Leauge, and to honor the founders of the AoW-league, even after it's end.
Else it would fade and noone would remember it, and this would be a shame imo.
And of course because it's fun to play with these Rules.


that's what I think.
and this is the end of this silly discussion.

This post was edited by Breee on Aug 31 2014 05:31am