Quote (Habakkuk22 @ 14 Apr 2011 12:00)

Who are you anyway? and have you ever spent more than 1,000 fg on a given character?

Quote (Habakkuk22 @ Apr 14 2011 05:15pm)

My friend, you are the one ignoring the facts
I am the one who is taking the time to post stats/formulas and data (Which are indeed facts)

You cannot argue with math

Quote (Habakkuk22 @ 14 Apr 2011 13:00)

Who are you anyway? and have you ever spent more than 1,000 fg on a given character?



I've mentioned plenty of times earlier in this thread why I suggested Faith GMB
I've also mentioned that if you want 7fpa with Fortitude, get a Diamond Bow

Also, this build is not missing 400 life on charms and it's the highest possible amount of resistance you'll ever seen on an Amazon hands down

(Your criticism is starting to become ignorant Goomshill, with all due respect)



Still not sure why none of you are noticing this at the top of page 1

This is a GM build designed around legit items which are spawnable on all realms
Ladder and Non-Ladder alike
Using outdated, bugged and imported items will entirely alter this build's gear setup

This is a Guide intended for use by everyone on every realm, including Ladders. (Which means no bugged belt, no 3/xx/5 runs, no .08 Gear)
What is so difficult to understand about this? Maybe it's because your not even actually reading through this guide

First of all, they aren't horrible circs, they are horrible diadems
Circlets do not get 2 sockets, Diadems do get 2 sockets.
Rare Diadems with stats like +2 skills / 30 run / 20 all res / +29 STR / +20 DEX / socketed with 2x 40/15 ias jewels
are much much stronger than a 45/120. If you cannot understand this, something is wrong with your brain.

Secondly, the Jeweler's AP of The Whale you see is not a 60/160. The Jeweler's Armor you see is a 30 ias/140 ed/ +18 STR / +18 DEX / 14 fhr / +100 life
Anyone who actually knows Amazons would have assumed this armor was not 60/160

Diadem 30 + Armor 30 + Amulet 20 + Gloves 20 = 100 IAS which is 7fpa with the Faith GMB
Wearing Fortitude as a swap for vs Elements only lowers you to 8fpa
(I say again, if you want max fpa with Fortitude, get a Diamond Bow)

And did you seriously make a comment referring to adding more than base lvl 10 Dodge?
I think you need to go to a skill calculator site for yourself and toy with the diminishing returns on the skill Dodge, enough said.

I'll say it again, more than base lvl 1 Multi-Shot is a waste of points and mana cost.
Base lvl 1 + skills = 13 arrows or 15 arrows with +bow gloves and 16 arrows with Battle Command.
(If you cannot hit someone with 13 - 16 arrow spray, something is wrong with you) ><

Upon all of this, any and all reputable duelists who have read this guide have posted nothing but posative feedback
My advice to you guys, is to learn past the cookie cutter builds you frequently see in Public Duel games.


Also, I see the only difference between mine and Jesper's Guide is:
* Jesper uses lvl 24 Multi-Shot
* Jesper prefers Pilums over Matriarchal Javelins
* Jesper's build has much lower resistance and much more HP. His is more of a ZvZ primary setup
* Jesper incorporates bugged/outdated items into his build, you could not make Jesper's exact build in a ladder season

I vouche Jesper's Guide, difference in opinion on a few matters but it's all strong.

Quote (Synonym @ Apr 14 2011 01:13pm)

is that why you claimed there's no way a wf zon can reach 7fpa at all unless he uses tmc?

clueless as fuck.

Quote (harg @ 14 Apr 2011 22:15)

plus you forgot
*Jesper use swordback

Quote (Depu @ Apr 14 2011 12:03pm)

Since i play ladder there aint any 2pm/20ias/kb/10+ stats gloves avaible in along time so what do you prefer? 20ias/kb/15stats or 2pm/20ias/kb i think the 2pm gloves is better since i get alot more in critical and dodge/evade/avoid instead of just 15stats to dex or strength.

Quote (Goomshill @ Apr 14 2011 02:07pm)

like he said, this guide sucks and jespers is ok

Yes you are missing 400 life on charms. you are using 3% frw charms over lifers. Because you can't teleport.
Your built is missing tons of resistances compared to mine, "most resists you'll see on an ama" my ass. No resists on amulet, no resists on boots.

Despite being supposed "for ladder too", it relies on a bunch of perfect rare items / jewels. My zon hits 3600 hp without using a single stat boosting rare/jewel (its 2 weeks into ladder). She'd hit about 4200 hp with them.
But you know what else? These 'stat boosting items' make it so you can't swap inventory out when you need to sorb or stack resists. HF not being able to equip your ss or faith when you want to absorb a stacker, rofl

your build sacrifices too much for damage like a glass zon instead of vita, but doesn't go all-in for damage and goes vita, ending up completely half assed
yet at the same time, you aren't even 7 FPA. you have to main a shitty rare jewel'd + 80/30 archon plate? rofllolololol



everyone else on the planet figured out how to build a 7 FPA bow with fortitude on.
I don't see why you haven't.

Quote (cweaver8518 @ Apr 14 2011 02:21pm)

Vouch the damach zon. One of the best builds I've seen if played well. Also the only type of zon my Nova/ES sorc has trouble with. Can this zon beat conviction? How about any cold sorc? Some suggestions I have that are hopefully constructive: get nice rare tri res frw/fhr boots, use highlords, have an alternate setup for beating elemental casters entirely, don't rely on a str/dex rare ring to equip gear. You may need to sorb as Goom says. Also kinda useless to have Gores in stash, pick either travs or Gores for vs melee and stick with it

Quote (Habakkuk22 @ 14 Apr 2011 22:26)

Generally I carry a pair of +2 PM/20%/15str - 15dex and +2 PM/20%/25cold - 25light
It isn't too hard to find good gloves on ladder, you just need to have the appropriate contacts.
Ladder IS the farming community. If anyone has good crafted items, it is people on ladder who are trying to make FG.



Your zon *hitting 3600 hp* is because your using a teleporting build with plague javelin/CS and BO. You don't need run items like a Bowa
Again, if you had actually read my guide you'd understand that all of the swaps work fine withought STR problems.

and Again, my Archon Plate is 30% ias / 140% ed / +18 str / +18 dex / 7fhr / +100 life
Do you know what dexterity does for ranged damage? Google it up, you may find that my armor is better than 60/160
Not to mention the +18 str additionally allows for stronger fury than offered by a general 60/160

AND ONCE AGAIN, (Get a Diamond Bow if you are so concerned with 7fpa while using Fortitude)
You need to wear Verdungo's in serious PvP or you just aren't going to beat the best physical damage dealers you come across.

and my build does offer top tier levels of resistance on an Amazon.
Wearing 45/120, and an inventory full of 3/xx/20s is not going to offer more resistance than my build, end of story.

I don't know where you are seeing that I am sacrificing (so much for damage) but it just isn't true.
It deals the same amount of damage that a Vita-Zon wearing 45/120 deals. Rare Diadems with +20 dexterity are just better, accept it.



This man clearly did not read my guide at all


Once again, PM me for a duel if so wish to prove me wrong - East NL
We will post a pic of a winner in this thread

So far I have received 0 people to take me up on this challenge
Speaks for itself