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Sep 3 2011 06:50pm
Quote (feanur @ Sep 3 2011 10:44pm)
Actually Open wounds is meaningless vs such sorceress.
But Amp damage will probably harm because mdr overflow is taken into account after %dr - so if you lose 100%dr over +50%, then mdr overflow is divided by 3 !

How many BvA will have Lacerator in switch ??



A barbarian is not supposed to discover anything...


i know for sure that pdr works before dr% and mdr works before res%
how come mdr/pdr-overflow would work after?

if what your saying is correct, then 50%dr would help your mdr-overflow(lowering it to 50%mdr needed), witch i not beleave!
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i know for sure that pdr works before dr% and mdr works before res%
how come mdr/pdr-overflow would work after?

if what  your saying is correct, then 50%dr would help your mdr-overflow(lowering it to 50%mdr needed), witch i not beleave!



Yes, pdr and mdr both work before %res (elemental or physical res).

But overflow is taken into account last !

Thats the point of this build : use 50%dr to double mdr-overflow. Else I wouldnt use Stormshield but Gerke ;)
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Sep 4 2011 01:46am
ultimate tank sorc
50dr
pdr
mass rep life
insight
max warmth
max es/telekin
get items thats damage to mana%
mass bmanas
mass items that give you mana regen
items that give you damage reduced by

= you cant die (might not kill them tho)
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Sep 5 2011 03:53am
Quote (feanur @ Sep 4 2011 07:33am)
Yes, pdr and mdr both work before %res (elemental or physical res).

But overflow is taken into account last !

Thats the point of this build : use 50%dr to double mdr-overflow. Else I wouldnt use Stormshield but Gerke ;)


thx!

http://wiki.theamazonbasin.com/index.php/Magic_Damage_Reduced
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When an attack applies magic or elemental damage and physical damage and MDR > magic or elemental damage, the excess is applied to physical damage after Damage Resist/Damage Reduced by % has been applied.
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but they list a example in this site
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Attack applying 100 physical damage and 50 fire, 50 lightning and 50 cold damage to a target with MDR 100 and DR 50%, would apply no fire (50-100 = -50), lightning (-50) or cold (-50) damage and 50 physical damage before excess MDR (-150 in total) applied: this would result in no (100-150 < 0) damage.

should they not write:
100*50%dr+(50-100fire)+(50-100COLD)+(50-100light)=
(50-150<0)
instead of (100-150<0)

This post was edited by Tommyvv on Sep 5 2011 03:54am
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Sep 5 2011 05:10am
Quote (Tommyvv @ Sep 5 2011 10:53am)
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should they not write:
100*50%dr+(50-100fire)+(50-100COLD)+(50-100light)=
(50-150<0)
instead of (100-150<0)


I guess you're right, (50-150<0) seems the correct answer in my eyes.

I suspect a typo : "50 physical damage before excess MDR" clearly indicates that %DR is applied before excess MDR.
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Sep 5 2011 08:16am
I owned fire build of such sorc at ladder. Barb should let this sorc bleed to 1 hp and then finish her with widowmaker, that is all.
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Quote (Mad1Lee @ Sep 5 2011 03:16pm)
I owned fire build of such sorc at ladder. Barb should let this sorc bleed to 1 hp and then finish her with widowmaker, that is all.



As long as elemental damages are added to arrows (from raven, highlord...), there's no way a barb can take away the last hp with widowmaker!
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Stupid. Block ES sorcs have always been one of BvC's 3 hardest duels, it's sad you have to make a dedicated char just to beat them.
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this build sucks hairy dick, wtf...

occy? id love to see you duel an actual bvc
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