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Oct 27 2010 12:55pm
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Oct 27 2010 02:19pm
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Oct 27 2010 03:01pm
75 ds?
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Oct 27 2010 03:44pm
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75 ds?


~35% from highlords & ~61% from critical strike -> ~75% combined deadly strike
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Oct 27 2010 07:46pm
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if your assumption is that your opponent is always going to have the right absorb, than it would be a waste to build any ele char build.
CS isn't going to win you every duel or even be your main attack

when you can use it to abuse those who don't have stacked resists, or don't have tgods in their stash, or use energy shield, or can't fit tgods in their build anyway- then bam, it servers its purpose
not to mention that virtually everyone you see won't assume you're charged strike and slap on sorb if they see you with fanaticism aura and throwing poison clouds- surprise factor.


points into guided/crit/dodges do like virtually nothing. CS is the difference between having a whole way to kill people or not. CS is why I win pretty much all my duels against bowazons instead of going even with them. It can tear apart the best ES sorcs.
What do you get for wasting those points into passives? An extra +20% overall bow damage maybe? Or +5% effective HP? Pointless



CS is definitely the weakest of the three attacks, but after weeks of using this I can easily say its earned an important place.
Reliable? No. Used in every duel? Heck no. But the best way to spend the rest of your points? Ofc.


Especially considering you're very very very well off to spend 20 points into lightning fury, anyway. I cannot stress the usefulness of LF either.
CS isn't some crazy solve all skill, but theres no better place to drop your last 20 points.


i think that the 20% is a little low although i havent done the math.
assuming you put more into crit strike, you do not need silly highlords and can use 2 java/20 ias/kb gloves and a 2 zon 20 fcr ammy. this would give kb in all setups +1 zon skills +2 java skills + adds.. dex, life but give 1 less bo (if you even bo..), -trangs.

and this allows more guided and more survivability.
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Oct 27 2010 08:05pm
highlords is used mainly to hit the ias breakpoint- using kb gloves you are just trading 25% poison damage for knockback which you can do whether you're CS or not- the DS on highlords barely makes a difference.
the difference between 1 point critical strike and 20 points critical strike in terms of overall DS with highlords on is 75% vs 83%, or about +5% overall damage on average.
meanwhile just slapping 20 points into guided arrow would have a much, much higher effect (from say 500-2000 bow damage to 550-2350 bow damage, or +16%)


the math just doesn't work out in favor of it. Lose 25% of your poison damage to gain 16% garrow damage, when most duels you're just picking people off at 1 hp? :S Ok so its less drastic with +skills counted than 25%, but the bit rate changes much less than overall damage on plague
yeah, tgods is a bitch, and shuts off charged strike but not lightning fury- but I'd rather have a skill I can use in 3-4/10 duels in priv and 8/10 in public that could seal my victory, than a +20% overall guided arrow damage

imagine for example, that a BvC somehow had a choice between berserk, and +25% all resists. Now that not true, as both skills take only 1 point. But imagine if it didn't work that way
Would it be better to take berserk, which is useless in many many duels, or to get a little bit of extra resistances?


CS isn't the best skill and its the first thing I'd cut in favor of better options, but there really aren't any better options. And it gives a serious advantage in many duels that could otherwise be losses- Zon vs Zon, for example, or ES sorcs.
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Oct 27 2010 09:36pm
Quote (Goomshill @ Oct 26 2010 11:51pm)
if your assumption is that your opponent is always going to have the right absorb, than it would be a waste to build any ele char build.
CS isn't going to win you every duel or even be your main attack

when you can use it to abuse those who don't have stacked resists, or don't have tgods in their stash, or use energy shield, or can't fit tgods in their build anyway- then bam, it servers its purpose
not to mention that virtually everyone you see won't assume you're charged strike and slap on sorb if they see you with fanaticism aura and throwing poison clouds- surprise factor.


points into guided/crit/dodges do like virtually nothing. CS is the difference between having a whole way to kill people or not. CS is why I win pretty much all my duels against bowazons instead of going even with them. It can tear apart the best ES sorcs.
What do you get for wasting those points into passives? An extra +20% overall bow damage maybe? Or +5% effective HP? Pointless



CS is definitely the weakest of the three attacks, but after weeks of using this I can easily say its earned an important place.
Reliable? No. Used in every duel? Heck no. But the best way to spend the rest of your points? Ofc.


Especially considering you're very very very well off to spend 20 points into lightning fury, anyway. I cannot stress the usefulness of LF either.
CS isn't some crazy solve all skill, but theres no better place to drop your last 20 points.


lolololol
i forgot all you duel is shitty ladder pubs
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Oct 28 2010 02:20pm
as opposed to what, shitty nl eurofegs who wear gillhelms?
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Oct 28 2010 02:22pm
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as opposed to what, shitty nl eurofegs who wear gillhelms?


you're replying to an eastie :/
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Oct 29 2010 12:09am
any ideas where I could make up a little more fire resist on a standard setup?
I don't like the thought of having to trade off maybe 1-2 scs for pure fire ones- thats 10% all resists for 22% fire

but as is, its only got about 10% stacked resists in fire or w/e. And I've got some very decent rares (35% fire on boots, 25% on ring).
with 15% jewel, 22% um, 50% scs, 40% torch/anni, 60% rares, that still only comes out to 12% stacked resists. Just a handful of facets means sorcs can easily rip through me without using swap gear
when I run into some sorta jeweled up sorc, its gg 2 hits death
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