yup very well said. Only option for a concer imo when its comes to valor is Gvalor, the socket is very uselful, but without it fort and prude are superior. IMO the key to having a great melee char is having the most setups available to u as possible. For a long time, I always had a fort, prude, and gvalor with me at all times and that made me very versatile. But recently I have expanded my arsenal to incorporate bhades, etooth, and crowcow Yeah its not practical, but depending on one build isn't going to work if your opponent is using the one build that your build is weak against. All in all though if I was going to choose one armor to use most of the time, I'd have to pick Gvalor, imo its very well balanced and the extra socket gives you versatility. If you dont plan on spending the fg on a gvalor or if your on ladder, then Fort is my next choice, but really you should always have at least a fort and prude with you.

I like the old school open wounds setups :). You don't see many concers rocking crow caw -- ha that's badass. I know we've been spitting a lot of information at you, Ultrarobot, but you will find that the more setups you have, the better off you'll be. Also, multiple setups at both 9th and 10th frame will allow more versatility as well.

Like Biglouy said, bhades is a NASTY conc armor. You can get up to 2,505 defense and have 2 free sockets after using your zod. Some people will use 2x 40ed/15ias jewels, however I would recommend socketing it with a 40/15ias + a cham, which turns the armor into a higher defense barb glitched bane :). The only downfall to this is losing your deadly strike from highlords. But the massive amounts of AR that angelics provide really makes up for any ds lost imo. Yeah the str req is higher, but barbs should be built for SA anyways :P.

There are also a few botd warspike setups that you can incorporate. The base weapon speed on that weapon is unreal...reaching the frames is almost too easy :P.

not bad

I would max zerk for 20% magic dmg

oh no it all makes perfect sense, thanks for all the info! what do you think about using bhades with the setup i listed before? you already would meet the ias breakpoints so prehaps either 2x 30 max jewels or 2x 10/60/9/9s?

Thats actually considered BM.



Well IMO using that setup would defeat the purpose of using a hades. The best reason to use a hades is so that you can use Angelics and get that AR boost. For your build I'd stick with fort and prude.

ahh ok thanks. yeah i figured that the extra def and max dmg still wouldnt be better than say life+ skills on valor or ed on fort

Wow is this for real?

Talk about weird rules.
But generally that would be the way to go wouldnt it.

sacrificing a bit of defense for a nice chunk of unresistable dmg

To be honest man, I'm not too sure that would work well. If you're statting a highish str req. armor (I believe bhades is 220, give or take a few ;p) without the stats of arreats, you're going to lose a good chunk of life. Unless that visionary is unreal, I think you'd be hurting yourself there man. I'd recommend switching the vis with an arreats and stat'ing around that. If you're set on using visionaries, I'd recommend using it with lower str items, otherwise you'll have to dump a lot of extra points. Entirely up to you tho. The nice thing is you can always respec ha.

One of my favorite armors/setups vs zealers/concers (OVERKILL vs furys, you don't need ~30k ar ha). is:

Glitched Arreat (or reg arreat -- can be up'd) - 40/15ias
SS: 40-15ias
20ias/15/15/high def gloves
Dungos
Bhades : 40-15 / Cham / Zod
Angelic Rings + Ammy
BOTDz

Inv: 3/20/20s

^That's a 9th frame / high attack rating setup.


Like I said, vs a fury it is pointless. I would try finding a good bhades before you judge the setup tho. Keep in mind that 2,505 total defense is a perfect roll.




Some options to incorporate with the visionary: Eth up'd tooth, eth upd crow caw, gval, fort (wouldn't recommend SA tho due to str req.), eth up'd skullders, glitched bane. All of those would be str req friendly options.



I'm liking the way you think ha



This post was edited by OSUpride1 on Aug 26 2010 08:39am

Yeah if you wanted the def, your better off with prude, and for the damage fort you could also use an eth uppd tooth with that build too for some OW

yup thats exactly why its BM, because you can't defend it



ha you too I love your style. I can tell you really were in BA. You know your concers haha.