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Aug 11 2009 12:19pm
Quote (deathwinger @ Tue, 11 Aug 2009, 21:14)
Aye firestorm is ok against them, because it is undodgeable, but its not a good tactic. Any decent bowazon will do one of two things when you telestomp:
1) Move
2) Strafe

If they move, you'll miss. If they strafe, you'll die.
Your grizzly will land hits against the moving targets and this does the killing. The fissure/volcano suppression is usually enough for most of them. Grizzly hounding does it too.
The problem with shaman vs bowazon is that almost every attack you have kills them in 1 hit a lot of the time. Its like being a little kid at a candy store, everything you do winds up killing them, so theres no real need to keep switching tactics and stuff. Hound runners with your bear, smash tankers with volcano, make the ground hot for spammers.


you wont kill a proper bow in 1 hit, youll probably kill pub glasscannons in 1hit though
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Aug 11 2009 12:21pm
Quote (deathwinger @ Tue, Aug 11 2009, 01:57pm)
oh yeah and my easy/medium/hard system worked like this:

Easy = I win more duels than I lose
Medium = We go about even
Hard = I lose more duels than I win


That isn't a good basis for how hard the matchups are. I have no idea how good(/bad?) you/the people you're facing are at dueling. Better off basing it on how hard it is to win against an average(non-pub) dueler with easy=anyone can do it, medium=you need to put some effort into learning the matchup, hard=only somebody really skilled stands a chance. I mean for all anyone knows you could be the best dueler on jsp so of course most of your matchups will be easy. However, this doesn't help Johny Cookiecutter which is what guides are meant to do. I think Varsity was more realistic for the average dueler, especially considering how glass this character is. Like if anyone said hybrid sin=easy matchup for necro in one of their guides I'd lol@them no matter how many times they've beaten hybrid sins with their necro. Its always a hard matchup no matter how good you are/how many times you win.

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ur butthurt. I advise watching this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cIpIAX78gig


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Quote (tudey @ Tue, Aug 11 2009, 01:19pm)
you wont kill a proper bow in 1 hit, youll probably kill pub glasscannons in 1hit though


hyperbole -.-
but even dem vita bowers lose like 60% of their hp to a grizzly smash most of the time

but they're no tanks. Fissure rips them apart, volcano rips them apart, grizzly rips them apart. I dueled baby-pk once using molten boulder :~) (edit: and lost)

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Aug 11 2009 12:27pm
it's kinda nice. might try this one
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Aug 11 2009 12:30pm
Very nice and well done guide. One of the best Ive seen in a long while. I'm sure that took a fair bit of time to compile.

As a Avid Fire/hunter I can attest that this build if well played dominates in pvm. Pvp, I couldnt say as I'm a HCL pvm player (and odd lld'er )
setup in caster mode like you suggest even more so. (dammit I love my Faith bow with summons and plinking while laying down fissures)


cool pics and vid!


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Aug 11 2009 12:38pm
Quote (deathwinger @ Tue, 11 Aug 2009, 21:23)
hyperbole -.-
but even dem vita bowers lose like 60% of their hp to a grizzly smash most of the time

but they're no tanks. Fissure rips them apart, volcano rips them apart, grizzly rips them apart. I dueled baby-pk once using molten boulder :~) (edit: and lost)


^^

hmm this char could be fun to make at ladder for pubbing ^^
I dont really expect it to do that well vs good people though
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Aug 11 2009 12:40pm
Up for some duels now tudey m9te?
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hmm this char could be fun to make at ladder for pubbing ^^
I dont really expect it to do that well vs good people though


People keep saying that, and they keep saying "well you aren't dueling good enough people"
And then I duel them and win
And then they say "lag!"


i guess theres some kind of mythical theorycraft class that exists in nl pvp that plays 100% perfectly and never makes mistakes :x
but im yet to meet them, and i keel dem people i meet

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Quote (deathwinger @ Tue, Aug 11 2009, 02:40pm)
People keep saying that, and they keep saying "well you aren't dueling good enough people"
And then I duel them and win
And then they say "lag!"


i guess theres some kind of mythical theorycraft class that exists in nl pvp that plays 100% perfectly and never makes mistakes :x
but im yet to meet them, and i keel dem people i meet


Want to take a crack at my system for easy/medium/hard? Post #82.
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Aug 11 2009 12:52pm
i've been reluctant to make one of these because it seems that it would require a lot of skill to play decently and that your attacks can easily be stacked/sorbed
but bear/volcano/boulder do physical damage, so it might not be too terrible

i can vouch for the sticking your hand down her pants bit at least
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