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Jul 14 2009 02:05pm
Quote (olba @ Tue, Jul 14 2009, 03:58pm)
Ok, so you make an "example" character with perfect stats on Open and call that "normal" or "standard"? Great, just great.

Also, your pathetic 5.5k FoH does slightly less than 150 damage against anyone with a TGod's.

As a BvC player, I find it absolutely great that you would recommend to FoH a BvC until they HAVE TO attack you. That means that we can just stand there and GA your ass to death, which is really amusing.

Also, wtf is the point of Conviction if it doesn't change anything at all? And hello, Smite gives more damage to your Smite per point than Holy Shield. A lot more at that. And what's with all the realm-specific dupes and the overall D2PKness of the guide?

Also, recommending hotkeys is idiotic since people use different setups and there is no proof that one setup is better than the others.


1) if you have a barb on useast i'll gladly duel it gm 1v1 on my vt. if u beat me on your barb u'll be the first.
2) a barb using tgod will have crap dr and will get telesmited to hell so they almost HAVE to use wisp. as soon as they try to switch to bow its telesmite/charge and synch smite.
3) conviction forces your opponents to stack res which hurts their life/DR/damage etc...
4) smite may give slightly more, but as explained on top its very minor and almost not noticible after pvp penalties: http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b142/AznMastaBui/Diablo/Screenshot146.jpg
5) as for specific stuff i said if u cant get slips, you can use maras and still be fine... here i'll include comparisons for you too

Armageddon Slippers
http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/1631/slippersdm2.png

Perfect Maras
http://img521.imageshack.us/img521/1918/marasgn0.png

Havoc Clasp
http://img182.imageshack.us/img182/588/havocja9.png

+3 Pcomb 100 Life
http://img527.imageshack.us/img527/5307/pcombbe5.png

Grim Necklace
http://img151.imageshack.us/img151/2199/grimet2.png

In my opinion, I think from best to worst stats to have is: Life -> Smite Damage -> Foh Damage -> All Res -> Conviction Aura

So the Winning Amulet Order is.....
1) Slippers
2) Maras
3) Havoc
4) Pcomb
5) Grim

Comparing Slippers to the other Amulets
Slippers has 30 more life, 31 more Smite damage, 0 more Foh damage, -10 Res and the same Conviction compared to Maras
Slippers has 30 more life, 13 more Smite damage, 0 more Foh damage, +20 Res and the same Conviction compared to Havoc Clasp
Slippers has 101 more life, 6 more Smite damage, 0 more Foh damage, 0 Res and the same Conviction compared to Grim Necklace
Slippers has 19 more life, 19 more Smite damage, -129 Foh damage, +20 Res and +2 Conviction compared to Pcomb Ammy

This post was edited by Azn Masta on Jul 14 2009 02:09pm
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Jul 14 2009 02:48pm
waste of skill points to stat conv.

u should use scept 3foh 3conv in cta 6. will boost the dmg up aswell at swap.
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Jul 14 2009 02:53pm
Quote (WishDestiny @ Tue, Jul 14 2009, 04:48pm)
waste of skill points to stat conv.

u should use sceptor 3foh 3conv in cta 6. will boost the dmg up aswell at swap.


i do use a 3foh/3conviction/3cleasing scptor CTA.

and at first glance it may seem so due to the additional damage boost you can get, however you cant always swap to cta. its risky - specially in match ups like vt vs vt or vs like a barb or wwsin

having conviction at hand is much more convient and safer. and the damage loss really isnt that much. i always like to have conviction and smite as well so i dont need to switch b/c when u duel hdins for exmaple u can foh lock them and wait for a stomp and quickly switch to powerful smite with grief. if u have cta sceptor out, u'll be a lot weaker and less effective

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Quote (Azn Masta @ Tue, 14 Jul 2009, 22:53)
i do use a 3foh/3conviction/3cleasing scptor CTA.

and at first glance it may seem so due to the additional damage boost you can get, however you cant always swap to cta. its risky - specially in match ups like vt vs vt or vs like a barb or wwsin

having conviction at hand is much more convient and safer. and the damage loss really isnt that much. i always like to have conviction and smite as well so i dont need to switch b/c when u duel hdins for exmaple u can foh lock them and wait for a stomp and quickly switch to powerful smite with grief. if u have cta sceptor out, u'll be a lot weaker and less effective


then u can use a 25 -25 scept instead if u precast bo for alot more dmg. ~ boost it up with 1k maybe
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Jul 14 2009 02:57pm
Quote (Azn Masta @ Tue, 14 Jul 2009, 23:05)
1) if you have a barb on useast i'll gladly duel it gm 1v1 on my vt. if u beat me on your barb u'll be the first.
2) a barb using tgod will have crap dr and will get telesmited to hell so they almost HAVE to use wisp. as soon as they try to switch to bow its telesmite/charge and synch smite.
3) conviction forces your opponents to stack res which hurts their life/DR/damage etc...
4) smite may give slightly more, but as explained on top its very minor and almost not noticible after pvp penalties: http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b142/AznMastaBui/Diablo/Screenshot146.jpg


1. My point was that making a guide and then suggesting a perfect lvl 99 build as the guideline is a bit too much.
2. Yeah right, ever heard of Crown of Ages? I hear it comes with 15% DR, 30% All resistances and 2 open sockets. So that's at least 23% easily. You know, you could just use Fade from Treachery and have 50% DR if so is seen as necessary.
3. Yeah right, your lvl 12 Conviction sure does that.
4. Damage>Defense.
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Jul 14 2009 02:58pm
ahahahaha horrible guide
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Quote (WishDestiny @ Tue, Jul 14 2009, 04:57pm)
then u can use a 25 -25 scept instead if u precast bo for alot more dmg. ~ boost it up with 1k maybe


1) buffing bo is bm
2) still the same concept... i'd have to switch off my grief to get that foh damage and conviction..
3) if i do that my smite will suck if i need to use it (should someone jump on top of me or something)

Quote (olba @ Tue, Jul 14 2009, 04:57pm)
1. My point was that making a guide and then suggesting a perfect lvl 99 build as the guideline is a bit too much.
2. Yeah right, ever heard of Crown of Ages? I hear it comes with 15% DR, 30% All resistances and 2 open sockets. So that's at least 23% easily. You know, you could just use Fade from Treachery and have 50% DR if so is seen as necessary.
3. Yeah right, your lvl 12 Conviction sure does that.
4. Damage>Defense.


1) u can already see the different lvl 95 and up, i was just using lvl 99 as an example so people can see the full benefits
2) coa + nigma = only 39 dr... fade=buff=bm on useast
3) my conviction is -105%, its enough to force u to stack something
4) damage > def... yes... but when its so minor it doesnt make a difference since its only like 50-100 in actual pvp (after trading like 10+ hits).

This post was edited by Azn Masta on Jul 14 2009 03:18pm
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Jul 14 2009 04:09pm
Quote (Azn Masta @ Tue, Jul 14 2009, 08:05pm)
1) if you have a barb on useast i'll gladly duel it gm 1v1 on my vt. if u beat me on your barb u'll be the first.
2) a barb using tgod will have crap dr and will get telesmited to hell so they almost HAVE to use wisp. as soon as they try to switch to bow its telesmite/charge and synch smite.
3) conviction forces your opponents to stack res which hurts their life/DR/damage etc...
4) smite may give slightly more, but as explained on top its very minor and almost not noticible after pvp penalties: http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b142/AznMastaBui/Diablo/Screenshot146.jpg
5) as for specific stuff i said if u cant get slips, you can use maras and still be fine... here i'll include comparisons for you too

Armageddon Slippers
http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/1631/slippersdm2.png

Perfect Maras
http://img521.imageshack.us/img521/1918/marasgn0.png

Havoc Clasp
http://img182.imageshack.us/img182/588/havocja9.png

+3 Pcomb 100 Life
http://img527.imageshack.us/img527/5307/pcombbe5.png

Grim Necklace
http://img151.imageshack.us/img151/2199/grimet2.png

In my opinion, I think from best to worst stats to have is: Life -> Smite Damage -> Foh Damage -> All Res -> Conviction Aura

So the Winning Amulet Order is.....
1) Slippers
2) Maras
3) Havoc
4) Pcomb
5) Grim

Comparing Slippers to the other Amulets
Slippers has 30 more life, 31 more Smite damage, 0 more Foh damage, -10 Res and the same Conviction compared to Maras
Slippers has 30 more life, 13 more Smite damage, 0 more Foh damage, +20 Res and the same Conviction compared to Havoc Clasp
Slippers has 101 more life, 6 more Smite damage, 0 more Foh damage, 0 Res and the same Conviction compared to Grim Necklace
Slippers has 19 more life, 19 more Smite damage, -129 Foh damage, +20 Res and +2 Conviction compared to Pcomb Ammy


i don't agree with that i find 39% pdr enough vs most v/ts ive seen i face most mele with 39% pdr and its good enough using stack from inventry and viper eye ring (realm dupe ofc givng 63 light res ) and tg im usually ok with the foh

It is a very nicely laid out guide alot of bases covered but i do get the feeling of d2pk and realm only items
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Jul 14 2009 04:12pm
Quote (halo273 @ Tue, Jul 14 2009, 06:09pm)
i don't agree with that i find 39% pdr enough vs most v/ts ive seen i face most mele with 39% pdr and its good enough using stack from inventry and viper eye ring (realm dupe ofc givng 63 light res ) and tg im usually ok with the foh

It is a very nicely laid  out guide alot of bases covered but i do get the feeling of d2pk and realm only items


sorry, but i need to contradict this.. facing a v/t with 39 DR simply won't work.. you need to maintain 49 or 50 DR.. otherwise, the smite will take you down in 2-3 hits..
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Jul 14 2009 04:33pm
Quote (halo273 @ Tue, Jul 14 2009, 06:09pm)
i don't agree with that i find 39% pdr enough vs most v/ts ive seen i face most mele with 39% pdr and its good enough using stack from inventry and viper eye ring (realm dupe ofc givng 63 light res ) and tg im usually ok with the foh

It is a very nicely laid  out guide alot of bases covered but i do get the feeling of d2pk and realm only items


yea if u play east let me know. i'll duel your barb with my vt and show you why even with 50% DR its hard... with 39% against a good vt will be practically impossible...
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