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Quote (Endurack @ Mon, Jun 26 2006, 01:18am)
I duel casters all day every day, Gmercs, Bm's, max DR B-manas etc, 200%+ FCR sorcs, you name it i duel and kill it. Ill be glad to duel anyone, just sened me a message in game.


I dont have a pro caster and I decided to quit d2 for a while but pm *Obituaries, hes one of the best necs on east for sure
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Alright here it is, firsto ff everyone on East is minced-meat compared to the PvP competition on West. Some of these critiques are opinion based so it really goes by your preference and skill level. But here it is:

Why This Barbaian Guide Sucks As Much As Blobs:

Luis' BvC Guide (adaptation of Blob's guide)
Blobs sucked, so this build sucks.

20 leap (for team duels; if you plan to never team duel only put in 14-16 here then rest into shout)
If you need this to kill a sorceress or caster you need to uninstall Diablo right now and sit in a corner and give a long, hard thought about why your a failure. First off landing a Tele and playing defensivly vs. good casters will out do you leaping any day. If a caster has the right frame of FHR this will not effect them anywhere near the price of 20 Skill Points Invested.

STR: 46
DEX: 57
VIT: rest
ENG: 10
These stats are good for a pure BvC I suppose. But right now I have the ability on my barbarian to reach Max Blocking with a shield and if I used the 3/20/20's like this build, I would still have 6,781 Life. IMO 10/70+/40+ Are Superior for Damage and Attack Rating. You really do not need more then 6.2K Health on a barbarian. This guy claims he has 10.6k Defner, I can reach 22K+ On my barbarian so I can duel Melee characters very effectivly. Once again my design is more versitle.

PRIMARY ITAMS:

BerBer Coa
Umm, your a BvC why do you need Damage Reduction? Oh thats right, you don't. Arreats has 30 Resistances, 30% FHR and many more usefull stats compared to a CoA.

Highlord Wrath
This can be useful sometimes, but I still have yet to use my Highlords over my Angelics. Unless your using a 95% Cap Deadly Strike Build, it really isnt worth it.

Arachnid Mesh
You have to be joking me? You Need FCR on a barbarian? LMFAO. FCR increases the amount of time you can cast Teleportations over a period of time. That does nothing for a Barbarian because you should Teleport Once maybe twice and land a hit when your good. Dungoes Supplies DR (If you really want it) but mroe so the important stats, 40 Vitality and 10% FHR.

Dracul Gloves (10% leech and 15 strenght necesary)
Garbage, Right now my Barbarian can KO nearly every Sorceress I have fought. This really will only help you probally vs. Paladins if you want to rely on Open WOunds. Otherwise, use Steelrends 20 Str 60 ED. Each point of Strength = 1% ED on a Barbarian. These gloves can produce an additional 530+ Maximum Damage for your Barbaian. You don't have to hit and run if you can KO a target. Plus Life Tap is BM and it doesnt even trigger with WW.

Grief Zerk Axe
This can be viable sometimes I suppose, but once again a eBotD can produce more damage then this. Right now my barbarian can reach a maximum output of 8,487 PURE PHYSICAL Damage (Mosto f the time I use a 7,012 Damage setup) using eBotD and Beast. I have yet to find a Barbarian do more then my Pure Damage thats not Barb vs. Barb. Everytime I fight a good caster, they always comment on how much damage I do and how hard and fast they die.

Hel'd Widowmaker
Lol, I suppose you want to do some Z vs. Z? This item will help you vs. noobs only and you wont even need it vs. them. Any good Mage, V/T Judicator Type I and II. Avenger Prismadin, Liberator, Tesladin etc. will capitalize on you and you will have limited ttime to switch. It will result in you losing more health then it is worth. True, you might land a Open Wounds hit, but once again any GOOD Caster will capitalize on you when you switch and the game can, and will lag on Secondary Weapon switch leaving you at high risk.

Demon Limb
LMFAo nice Bm, learn to get AR.

HOTKEYS:

Left click: berserk
Rightt click: WW, TELE, LEAP, UNSUMMON, BC, BO, SHOUT,
i use: f1-ww f2-tele f3-leap f4-unsummon
you dont really need to use asdf... on a barb

Besker? Left Click? LMFAO ROFL OMG IM CRYING. Check this out, learn how to short WW, and Tele WW instantly. Right click Tele left click WW and use shift to move triangular for WWs, saves you time and lag of switching keys. Two most viable spells ready at all times. You Tele and keep shift down and click to one of the sides of your target and guess what, they cant react fast enough and you kill them. True, sometimes this will put you in a slight bit of animation lag, just make sure you tele short so your not in it long. I cant possibly recall the last time I had Tele on Right Click...must be at least 3 years.

ALWAYS wait 8 seconds between attacks to let OW run its duration; unless you see a good opportunity to attack.
Ummm.. 1-2 WW's your caster, other then Paladins, should be dead. Paladins can take 3-5 WW's depending on your Pure Damage.

SECTION 1. PUB GAME (thanks blobs ^__________^ )

USE PRIMARY GEAR ALL THE TIME. KILL, NK, STEAL GOLD, AND THEN SAY "CRY". THIS WORKS WONDERS ON THEIR MORALE AND CAUSES THEM TO PLAY BADLY AND / OR BRING MORE DUELERS WHICH ARE CARRYING MORE GOLD. CARRY 1/4 HEALTH POTS AND 3/4 MANA POTS. USE THE PRIMARY GEAR CAUSE U CANT BE KILLED EASILY BY ANYTHING WHEN USING IT, EVEN THOUGH YOUR DAMAGE SUCKS. POT CONSTANTLY SINCE THEY ARE DOING IT TOO, AND IF YOU KILL MORE, THATS MORE GOLD FOR MORE POTS.
(im usually not this mean T________________T )

Your joking, OMG please tell me your joking? Nice job learning to be "Public" and lowering yourself to the biggest noob society around. Hurt your name more. Learn to duel so when you join games people are like "OMG ITS HIM HES SO GOOOD" not "LMFAO DID YOU GO GET MROE POTS AND MERC AND STUFF?"

Switch in gores and 2x fcr rings. Start about 2-3 screens away, make sure you know where they are before the duel starts (before you say go, look where they are on the map then go about 3 screens away). Bowazons are depending that you tele right into their GA/IGA lines so you will move 90 degrees to either side while staying 3-5 screens (you dont want to appear on their map). This will leave the bowazon to guess where to fire each duel (switch ur position every duel then sometimes dont when they expect u to move position). Once the duel starts, do full screen tele's across the map until you land right ontop of them, ww till dead. If you miss or they get a lucky dodge/block then chase them quickly via namelocking (one of the only duels you want to tele namelock). Repeat until dead. If they try to use lf, just make sure to triangle ww them.
You should get them on the first tele ww if you do it right, but some zons may escape, in which case it just means you have to telestomp them till they die and triangle them if they try to tank with lf.

Your fighting noob Amazons abviously. My Hybrid zon can deal 5K Jab and if your a no block Barbraian (Which this build is) your gonna die in 2 Jabs. Then, as you said zons will also try to Run away and land Lightning Bolts (Not Lightning Furys noob) at you. They will also "1 shot switch you" which means hit W take a Shot and then go back to block and run. If the zon is oldschool they know to run in back and forth patters and zig zag so when a barb teles your in the wrong direction of them. Letting a zon "one shot hit you" Tactic will get you killed in less then 6 shots with the GMB Faith. My Amazon deals 6,982 damage at 74% Critical... your dead.

OMG your tactics get worse I am tired of typing. Some of these tips on dueling are good, but alot of them are garbage. Your sorc tactics make me laugh. I can kill a bmana sorc using full DR and mana pots in 5 WW's and I CAN TANK THEM.

So theres your evaluation.

Oh by the way, you fail Noob School 101 with a big, fat F. The next semester starts soon so please go to eBay and look for your chance to sign up.


HAHAHHA i almost belived ur good player, but after bullshit u wrote here im sure u know nothing about this game , 61 post rofl somebody need balls?
i think blobs just nked /killed u so many times that ur e rage boorst now , u can do this only now bcoz he left d2 HAHA
go slit retard random


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Quote (Moonlike @ Mon, Jun 26 2006, 09:14am)
Quote (Endurack @ Mon, Jun 26 2006, 01:15am)
Alright
here it is, firsto ff everyone on East is minced-meat compared to the
PvP competition on West. Some of these critiques are opinion based so
it really goes by your preference and skill level. But here it is:

Why This Barbaian Guide Sucks As Much As Blobs:

Luis' BvC Guide (adaptation of Blob's guide)
Blobs sucked, so this build sucks.

20 leap (for team duels; if you plan to never team duel only put in 14-16 here then rest into shout)
If
you need this to kill a sorceress or caster you need to uninstall
Diablo right now and sit in a corner and give a long, hard thought
about why your a failure. First off landing a Tele and playing
defensivly vs. good casters will out do you leaping any day. If a
caster has the right frame of FHR this will not effect them anywhere
near the price of 20 Skill Points Invested.

STR: 46
DEX: 57
VIT: rest
ENG: 10
These
stats are good for a pure BvC I suppose. But right now I have the
ability on my barbarian to reach Max Blocking with a shield and if I
used the 3/20/20's like this build, I would still have 6,781 Life. IMO
10/70+/40+ Are Superior for Damage and Attack Rating. You really do not
need more then 6.2K Health on a barbarian. This guy claims he has 10.6k
Defner, I can reach 22K+ On my barbarian so I can duel Melee characters
very effectivly. Once again my design is more versitle.

PRIMARY ITAMS:

BerBer Coa
Umm,
your a BvC why do you need Damage Reduction? Oh thats right, you don't.
Arreats has 30 Resistances, 30% FHR and many more usefull stats
compared to a CoA.

Highlord Wrath
This can be useful
sometimes, but I still have yet to use my Highlords over my Angelics.
Unless your using a 95% Cap Deadly Strike Build, it really isnt worth
it.

Arachnid Mesh
You have to be joking me? You Need FCR on a
barbarian? LMFAO. FCR increases the amount of time you can cast
Teleportations over a period of time. That does nothing for a Barbarian
because you should Teleport Once maybe twice and land a hit when your
good. Dungoes Supplies DR (If you really want it) but mroe so the
important stats, 40 Vitality and 10% FHR.

Dracul Gloves (10% leech and 15 strenght necesary)
Garbage,
Right now my Barbarian can KO nearly every Sorceress I have fought.
This really will only help you probally vs. Paladins if you want to
rely on Open WOunds. Otherwise, use Steelrends 20 Str 60 ED. Each point
of Strength = 1% ED on a Barbarian. These gloves can produce an
additional 530+ Maximum Damage for your Barbaian. You don't have to hit
and run if you can KO a target. Plus Life Tap is BM and it doesnt even
trigger with WW.

Grief Zerk Axe
This can be viable sometimes
I suppose, but once again a eBotD can produce more damage then this.
Right now my barbarian can reach a maximum output of 8,487 PURE
PHYSICAL Damage (Mosto f the time I use a 7,012 Damage setup) using
eBotD and Beast. I have yet to find a Barbarian do more then my Pure
Damage thats not Barb vs. Barb. Everytime I fight a good caster, they
always comment on how much damage I do and how hard and fast they die.

Hel'd Widowmaker
Lol,
I suppose you want to do some Z vs. Z? This item will help you vs.
noobs only and you wont even need it vs. them. Any good Mage, V/T
Judicator Type I and II. Avenger Prismadin, Liberator, Tesladin etc.
will capitalize on you and you will have limited ttime to switch. It
will result in you losing more health then it is worth. True, you might
land a Open Wounds hit, but once again any GOOD Caster will capitalize
on you when you switch and the game can, and will lag on Secondary
Weapon switch leaving you at high risk.

Demon Limb
LMFAo nice Bm, learn to get AR.

HOTKEYS:

Left click: berserk
Rightt click: WW, TELE, LEAP, UNSUMMON, BC, BO, SHOUT,
i use: f1-ww f2-tele f3-leap f4-unsummon
you dont really need to use asdf... on a barb

Besker?
Left Click? LMFAO ROFL OMG IM CRYING. Check this out, learn how to
short WW, and Tele WW instantly. Right click Tele left click WW and use
shift to move triangular for WWs, saves you time and lag of switching
keys. Two most viable spells ready at all times. You Tele and keep
shift down and click to one of the sides of your target and guess what,
they cant react fast enough and you kill them. True, sometimes this
will put you in a slight bit of animation lag, just make sure you tele
short so your not in it long. I cant possibly recall the last time I
had Tele on Right Click...must be at least 3 years.

ALWAYS wait 8 seconds between attacks to let OW run its duration; unless you see a good opportunity to attack.
Ummm.. 1-2 WW's your caster, other then Paladins, should be dead. Paladins can take 3-5 WW's depending on your Pure Damage.

SECTION 1. PUB GAME (thanks blobs ^__________^ )

USE
PRIMARY GEAR ALL THE TIME. KILL, NK, STEAL GOLD, AND THEN SAY "CRY".
THIS WORKS WONDERS ON THEIR MORALE AND CAUSES THEM TO PLAY BADLY AND /
OR BRING MORE DUELERS WHICH ARE CARRYING MORE GOLD. CARRY 1/4 HEALTH
POTS AND 3/4 MANA POTS. USE THE PRIMARY GEAR CAUSE U CANT BE KILLED
EASILY BY ANYTHING WHEN USING IT, EVEN THOUGH YOUR DAMAGE SUCKS. POT
CONSTANTLY SINCE THEY ARE DOING IT TOO, AND IF YOU KILL MORE, THATS
MORE GOLD FOR MORE POTS.
(im usually not this mean T________________T )

Your
joking, OMG please tell me your joking? Nice job learning to be
"Public" and lowering yourself to the biggest noob society around. Hurt
your name more. Learn to duel so when you join games people are like
"OMG ITS HIM HES SO GOOOD" not "LMFAO DID YOU GO GET MROE POTS AND MERC
AND STUFF?"

Switch in gores and 2x fcr rings. Start about 2-3
screens away, make sure you know where they are before the duel starts
(before you say go, look where they are on the map then go about 3
screens away). Bowazons are depending that you tele right into their
GA/IGA lines so you will move 90 degrees to either side while staying
3-5 screens (you dont want to appear on their map). This will leave the
bowazon to guess where to fire each duel (switch ur position every duel
then sometimes dont when they expect u to move position). Once the duel
starts, do full screen tele's across the map until you land right ontop
of them, ww till dead. If you miss or they get a lucky dodge/block then
chase them quickly via namelocking (one of the only duels you want to
tele namelock). Repeat until dead. If they try to use lf, just make
sure to triangle ww them.
You should get them on the first tele ww
if you do it right, but some zons may escape, in which case it just
means you have to telestomp them till they die and triangle them if
they try to tank with lf.

Your fighting noob Amazons abviously.
My Hybrid zon can deal 5K Jab and if your a no block Barbraian (Which
this build is) your gonna die in 2 Jabs. Then, as you said zons will
also try to Run away and land Lightning Bolts (Not Lightning Furys
noob) at you. They will also "1 shot switch you" which means hit W take
a Shot and then go back to block and run. If the zon is oldschool they
know to run in back and forth patters and zig zag so when a barb teles
your in the wrong direction of them. Letting a zon "one shot hit you"
Tactic will get you killed in less then 6 shots with the GMB Faith. My
Amazon deals 6,982 damage at 74% Critical... your dead.

OMG your
tactics get worse I am tired of typing. Some of these tips on dueling
are good, but alot of them are garbage. Your sorc tactics make me
laugh. I can kill a bmana sorc using full DR and mana pots in 5 WW's
and I CAN TANK THEM.

So theres your evaluation.

Oh by
the way, you fail Noob School 101 with a big, fat F. The next semester
starts soon so please go to eBay and look for your chance to sign up.


HAHAHHA
i almost belived ur good player, but after bullshit u wrote here im
sure u know nothing about this game , 61 post rofl somebody need balls?
i think blobs just nked /killed u so many times that ur e rage boorst now , u can do this only now bcoz he left d2 HAHA
go slit retard random


I think this needs to be settled with you and him in a ft5.
Being new to jsp doesn't mean you're new to d2.
And he has several good points in what he wrote.
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Jun 26 2006 04:17am
Why you need coa on bvc? Isint ele druid with tornados caster? You need dr vs them.

And when bvc is so strong char that you can duel vs enyone, even melee. The dr will only help you.

Endurack i see that you dont know nothing about barbs, when you say "botd makes more dmg"..

I close my case, read numbers learn some math. And you go sit in the corner with your steelrents ahahaha.

See my ava plz

And what comes to demon limp, its the same as condoms. You better have it with you allthe time, than not to have when you need it.

This post was edited by faulk on Jun 26 2006 04:26am
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Nice spam, see my ava.
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Jun 26 2006 09:14am
Quote (Endurack @ Mon, Jun 26 2006, 12:30am)
The league died the same reason any league dies. It was a 1.09a League so over 3-5 years, everyone quit.

Founders? The BvC idea came out way before you probally even played. This MCM guy or w/e I have never even heard of. The first BvC builds were made in Gimmeitam. We constructed Hybrid Barbarians that could deal nearly 7k Double Throw (2x Cruel Winged Harpoons of Quickness and our Armors made us throw extremely fast) and 5.5K+ Whirl Wind. We constructed them with over 125% Run Speeds to catch sorces easily. There was no Teleportation back then so this build was the first BvC Construct and it worked extremely well vs. any caster. You and the majority of people on this forum would know nothing about this. This forum wasnt even around untill 2003. Pretty much everyone I have talked to on this forum are from 1.10 and beyond. Mana Potions will always be BM on west and to this day I do not use them on any character even though I play on East now. If you really want, I will go over every part of this build/guide and explain why it is garbage.

reminds me of euro-pvp, where all the weaklings who need random wannabe-1.09-rules to nerf their opponents play.

regarding west barbs i can only say that your opinion means just as much as the people claiming Chauster (the retard who used stormshield vs druids) was the best barb ever on your realm. i wont comment on how blobs played since i dont play west but fact remains that he knew more about ww mechanics and relevant calculations in general 3 years ago than 99.9% of the "good" players do today. you included.

no offense but from all your comments it's pretty evident that you dont really have any in-depth understanding of anything. the gear you suggest is far from optimal. your opinion doesn't really matter since numbers=truth.
your coa/highlord/draculs/arach/grief-bashing proves that you haven't understood.
your claim to kill casters in 2 whirls = lies. max block/dr druids/necs/es-sorcs dont die in 2 wws unless garbage.
your claim to kill pallies in 5 whirls = lies. 20k+def/max block/dr pallies dont die in 5 wws unless garbage. 50k+ def ones certainly dont.
your claim to kill barbs in 2 jabs = lies. if this was true no wwbarb could ever beat zealots/smiters/furydruids/concbarbs. we both know thats not true. jab is inferior to all of these.

im amused that you think you can fool anyone that you beat competent necs with your weak 0% fcr angelic-barb. or javazons. what do you do when your pathetic angelic-mana runs out after they've dodged 7 wws in a row lol? die in 2 hits cause they aren't stun/block/dodged locked anymore?

sorry but basically all your arguments lack solid ground.
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Jun 26 2006 11:39am
Faulk, I'm sorry to burst your pathetic "see my ava lol pls" bubble, but you're the retard here. It's You're Retarted, not Your Retarted. I was hoping someone else would see this, and notify you of your ignorance, but no, it had to be me. Please refer to your avatar, and the next time, don't confuse me with someone who seemed to give a crap.

Still, I'd like to hear Endurack's vision of how a BotD would be better then a Grief. Should be interesting,

- LP
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Jun 26 2006 12:29pm
Quote (LittlePrincess @ Mon, Jun 26 2006, 12:39pm)
It's You're Retarted, not Your Retarted.


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