Quote (Ancalagon @ Fri, Aug 15 2008, 04:29am)

you`re the one who is saying that ds and cb are capped at 95% so if you wanna make a point you better proove your statement

however the chance to hit a monster is capped at 95%, but this does not matter because if I hit a monster and have 100% deadly strike per hit.. I will trigger deadly strike always wether I hit or not

I also forgot me statting more str,
I did not include maxdam charms of inventory (who would use skillers...)
I also forgot to use faith myself and putting on fortitude and gaining another ias cap with the death setup....
I did not include the usage of WT`s (wchich would mean only 85% cb and 97% ds)
I also forgot to count in the sockets
I also forgot to count in the cb
I also forgot to add the additional might the merc gains from being lvl 92 and not 85 (+additional + skills on his eq) 200->280 (andy+ariocs)
I also had find potio+wc skilled--> less ed from berser ^^

including your faith,including phoenix,str,skills and deadly strike, you arrive at 3077% damage (including the first 100% of the weapon)
I arrive at 3176% off weapon ed (200 str, might merc,,100%ds,100%cb setup, skills as before) (including the 100% added for using a weapon)

your average damage is 403
mine is 503

you do 2,77 attacks per second
I do 2,27 attacks per second

you deal
34348 dam per second

I deal
36263 dam per second

do you really honestly think that extra combat barb skillers would be beneficial instead of using maxdam/ar charms.........^^

now let´s see

you block at 27% with your charlevel, 136 dex and using a monarch ( if you don´t believe me, consult a blocking calc, )
with the bersi: (20 base, 30 from torch/anni,20 from arre,20 from raven) -->17% block

you have 0% faster block- you block at 7 fpa

there are too many occasions where one is either in a group
(or you howl and hunt them down one by one, which is ineffective because thery flee)
you don´t use warcry--> no stun several monsters at the same time attack you
you don´t freeze groups faster attackers
or when you find a mix of melee and blowtube guys,archers and the likes....

firestorm has a chance of 40% to get casted
you do (if you don?`t block ^^)
2,77 attacks per second
40% of 2,77=1,108
~ once per second you trigger firestorm
firestorm has a casting delay of 0,6 seconds

which means that you only deal 1,08 attacks per second and not 2,77.....#

do you really think that I need to reequip?................

Quote (Hmmer @ Mon, Jul 28 2008, 12:00am)

yes i use a pure damage smiter, and agains't well equiped 5k+ vita smiters, i can 3 hit kill them and rarely loss, unless they are using Ba.
No to talk that not 1 barb till today has killed my smiter, and then rather fall quickly and are surprised.
If u ask politely i will tell u the equipment .


Yasmine,

Quote (izParagonzi @ Thu, Aug 14 2008, 05:15pm)

ROFLMAO.

You are an idiot, you found out that my setup with a Phaseblade does basically the same damage as your setup, so you put in all these different scenario's to win the bet, YOU JUST FAILED.

Accept the fact that I can clear main boss areas faster than you?
This is either Pvte or Full Game.

You did the maths, you proved it yourself, I have more life, i have more res, i have more AR, i have about the same damage, I can get to areas faster than you can, so accept the truth, you worked it out yourself.

If I was to alter my inventory as you seem to be wanting to do, don't you think that the damage will basically remain the same?

Quote (izParagonzi @ Wed, Aug 6 2008, 08:05am)

OMFG, did you even read the guide, why, how, what it does?????
I have read it... that's why i posted here.
#1 Phoenix is mainly for the Redemption/ED/-Fire Res (most people argue about SS)
... And the ED is not an argue if u have already 1k+ only with Berzerk.
#2 2handed wpn does not reach last ias bp, what is the point of massive damage if you attack slowly?????
U must calculate that exactly.
#3 Shield on a PvM Barb fails???, wtf are you on, crack/dak/poppies/pills/alcohol or missing brain cells????
I know what i'm talking about...
For what the fuck does a barb need a shield? A Barb can wear 2 weapons, that's why WWs use 2 weapons, for more damage.
And with 1 2handed weapon, u would rather make more damage than with a Grief. Just when with a weapon like Death, u will have more DS and CB.
#4 Nosferatu's for bowers mainly, String of ears only has one good attribute (DR)
If i remeber correctly, u wanted to use Dungo. What does it have??? Only DR...
SoE has also the DR, but can be used earlier and has also MDR, what helps more. Most damage will do elemental attacks, enemys who msut attack in melee can be stunned with WC.
#5 27FHR if you have a ping of 2-10, 48/86FHR for people that have pings 100+
Fail. I don't know, how u play, but i don't need more than 27 FHR. NEVER!
.....(by the way, I have an average ping of 250 on good days, DUE to my location, my comp is high end $6k comp only 7 months old)
I have an average one of 100.
#6 OMFG try getting to Chaos from River fast with a fortitude on and not having the skill Leap. As for the 300ed UPTO 30res & LPL,
.....enigma gives 25% FRW, Stength to hold other equipment (keeping base str @ 30) so that you can have more into VITA (barb gets
.....4 life per vita point, then add on the BO) Check it here: http://www.battle.net/diablo2exp/classes/barbarian.shtml
Even Zerkers dont need too much Life. I don't play a Barb with Base Strength and Eni, because i know 2 things:
- if i have enough Life, i will stat more strength
-without the strength bonus, Eni only gives up to 74 ED and 2 Skills, again 30 ED...
Forty gives much more. CoH gives much more.
Lionheart also gives me more 8[
So i rather use them and not eni... And Leap can be skilled easily -.-°
Also, A CS Zerker is AGAIN somethign completely different.
D2 is not just Baal- and CS-Runs.
#7 SHAEL into Arreats is ONLY AN OPTION, fucking read, and it damn well works, leaves more space in your inventory.
It just blockates a socket, not more. And as i said, i read the fuck.
#8 Gore Riders is a Good option, but, pointless for this build, example, since when does MAGIC damage OPEN WOUNDS.
.....Also, I am not after the Crushing Blow because ONCE AGAIN, MAGIC DAMAGE.
As far as i know, Zerk can also trigger OW and CB... and Gores for DS! otherwise, u would rather take Goblin's :X
#9 WTF, crafted LEECH RING, you do not even know what the BERSERK SKILL does, you can NOT, i repeat NOT LEECH, not even leech with Lifetap
.....Also, you need DEXTERITY and the AR from the Ravenfrost is MASSIVELY multiplied by the SKILLs
Usually, craft Rings have always Leech O_# And Even a Zerker leeches himself full with Conentrate sometimes.
So, Leech isn't damaging at all... Dexteritiy if the weapon needs some. Otherwise, rather Strength and Mindamage.

Personally, I do not think you know what you are talking about,
(Actually, i KNOW what i am talking about. And a melee fully without leech, not without Mass Slow, HFreeze and Decrepify... Even Zerks must leech, u know? But u actually must play with Phoenix, so like that you don't know that)
but again I have had many people in the past rambling on that "such & such is better than such & such", the thing is they forget a major point with a Berserk Barb.
#1 MAGICAL DAMAGE, not physical so CB, OW, Leech, Life Tap does not apply.
About CB, i am not sure, i will ask some peope about it... To the leech, i have said something.

Answer me some questions:
#1 does a hammerdin wear Gore Riders?
It is something different, spells never leech O_#
#2 does a hammerdin use CB items?
And again the same thing... Well, a hammer can wear Cb items for UT.
#3 does a hammerdin use Leech items?
Barb's Concentrate...
#4 does a hammerdin wear Fortitude
This is really selfowned, because the Forty is working well.
#5 does a hammerdin need FCR (this refers to me using IAS)
It does... i like Ias, too, but sometimes it just isn't getting faster without lossing to much.
#6 does a hammerdin doing chaos use Redemption skill
He does, because he can skill it. Redemption is nice to have, and if i wouldn't cost too many HRs, i'd like to have phoenix on switch.
But the more i think about it, i see how dumb it is.

Basically you will understand the build

Quote (burial2 @ Thu, Aug 14 2008, 10:16pm)

phoenix suck on pvm because "howl" skill , work only on 6x % , while other 3x% times , you will be rounded of 10000000 monsters that will kill you in few sec , so if you use phoenix , you wont have chance to live on 8 players ( maybe on 1 player y , but this for the skill base of baba , not for phoenix ^^ )


400%ed of phoenix SUCK ! he increase of few the dmg of baba, and that boost of dmg become interrupted from cast skill on this crap runeword

baba can live also without redemption

baba can live easily also withuot 85fire res or 80 light res

but baba CANT LIVE W/0 35%DR

i forgot that witt phoenix u CANT USE 75% BLOCK , that is A MUST for a 0 defense zerk baba

and finally , baba zerk make ALREADY TONS OF DMG !

Quote (Ancalagon @ Fri, Aug 15 2008, 05:41am)

why could you clear bosses faster with far less cb and far less attacks per second...........

we found out that you need
Lem, Mal,2 Vex. 3 LO, 1 Ber and 3 Jah runes
to deal Less damage per second
then
Vex+Gul+Lem
If I can afford to use those runes, why not?, honestly it is just so easy to get them and it is a game.

even if you would not block nor have firestorm
however since you don´t have warcry and fight mobs, just as everybody else fights mobs, you receive damage
you have a shield, you block
you block at 7 frames per second
My gameplay is different to yours. Example, I scatter the lesser minions with Howl, to reveal the Boss/Champion, I kill him and forget about the lesser minions.

by the way
you cast a firestorm, adding up from torch and phoenix at
55% chance (40+ (0,6*25) or (25+(0,75*40)
Since I am killing just the Boss/Champion, this does not really becomes an Issue, considering I pretty much 1 hit kill them

you perform
1,24 attacks(takes you about 0,4 seconds to do that), trigger phoenix and have to waith 0,6 seconds

you do 1 attack per second
12400 dam per second ... if you don`t block

sorry but I prefer my setup
does more damage per second
Damage per second vs Baal/Diablo/Meph/Andy/Durial, is very good, no argue'ing, but how do you get to them without Tele, run Right? as stated before, I tele over walls, but, if I was to run, I would still get there faster, and you "Damage per second" calculation is pointless because by the time you get to them, I would have done half damage to them (note for Baals minions, I would be on the 2nd or 3rd wave).

by the way
where is your ar calculation
where is your life calculation
I posted the Image, It is a Gif image showing items, if you take a look at the Character screen, you will see the "AR" & the "Life"

where is your proof for bosses....
Explained 2 sentences up

by the way
do me a favor and learn to read
I like this statement, geez I wonder who started it? Damn me and my big mouth

Quote (Mors_Agni @ Fri, Aug 15 2008, 06:22am)

Quote (Ancalagon @ Fri, Aug 15 2008, 06:53am)

crushing blow is a trigger effect just like ow or a curse on strike

If you beat somebody with a weapon or use a projectile and hit, you can trigger those effects

does berserk use a weapon
does berserk hit with this weapon
I did not argue these points with YOU, I actually accepted your answer, hence no debates about how you got your final outcome in both builds, hmmm

if the answer to theese 2 questions is yes, then berserk triggers CB and they work with this attack

@ hammerdin and redemption
If hammers would leach, you would not use redemption...

barbs have their ways to leach with skills and potio horking
Exactly, Potion guzzling, or redemption skill, some use phoenix shield, my hammerdin only pots, but then the guide is a barb.

Quote (burial2 @ Fri, Aug 15 2008, 10:16am)

phoenix suck on pvm because "howl" skill , work only on 6x % , while other 3x% times , you will be rounded of 10000000 monsters that will kill you in few sec , so if you use phoenix , you wont have chance to live on 8 players ( maybe on 1 player y , but this for the skill base of baba , not for phoenix ^^ )
My build does full games, without aid from any of the other people, I mf in Baal runs, can clear Chaos by myself, then I head to BoneAsh, if they have Anya Portal up, I do Pin, Eld, Shenk, and then it is off to the new game. I think you need a different excuse, or try a different strategy for gameplay to improve the barbs skill and items used.

400%ed of phoenix SUCK ! he increase of few the dmg of baba, and that boost of dmg become interrupted from cast skill on this crap runeword
The 400%ed is for the "Added Dmg" (340-400) on the Grief runeword, it is in my honest opinion, one of the "highest % ed" off hand items

baba can live also without redemption
baba can live easily also withuot 85fire res or 80 light res
but baba CANT LIVE W/0 35%DR
Was there mention that it couldn't?

i forgot that witt phoenix u CANT USE 75% BLOCK , that is A MUST for a 0 defense zerk baba
and finally , baba zerk make ALREADY TONS OF DMG !
Hmm, guess we have a Phoenix hater, oh well, if I wanted to make him with SS or 2H wpn, I would of stated that.
Anyway, you are correct for your evaluation on why you would not create this build, I wonder if you read the Polls?

Quote (Ancalagon @ Thu, Aug 14 2008, 09:50pm)

a zerker needs no damred nor does he need a shield.. if you want to deal damage, you go for a 2 hand weapon and not a one hander.. barbarians have low blockspeed--> blocklock

blocking with 0 deff= you will nearly always block--> loose time--> deal less damage

if you use block--<Y you receive more hits than you would without a shield.. and you would not spend as much time in blocking animation.........

damred= wayne.. use warcry-> stun-->zerk

one zerk one kill.......

it is better to kill monsters than to receive damage

guys learn pvm and stop judging pvm by pvp standards

Quote (burial2 @ Fri, Aug 15 2008, 11:06am)

pff , n4p 08 , ask the best cser zerk baba of this game if you dont believe me OMG

1)blocking dont lose time , because i have a good fbr recover hit , 2d , i can also use shael rune to increase the ias of recover , anyway block save your life and dont waste your time (try for believe )

2)wc = 3%more life each wc skill = CRAP LIFE ... just go on SEIS , when he toggle also 2k life x hit , and just say me you if its better have 300 + more life or 75%block + 50%DR combo ... i think its best the second choose (also there try for believe )