I would not use your gear..... simple setup is enough

2. I am faster in the full game or in players one... however the mroe people, the less no drop, the more drops while killing and horking... so you`ll definetely either want to speed up your killing or you want to achieve the the same speed with more people ingame
both things leed to more gold in the same amount of time

3.
you may be, or you will have fun getting a timeban... that is all I was hinting at, if the killspeed is too high, botprotection will have fun with you.. but simpoly by visiting other mobs like eldi,shenk or good old.. enter and hork, pindle... you stay ingame lo0nger, still loot corpses and get gold and don`t get a timeban

4. I think totally diofferent about your builds.. I don´t need that much calculation... simple logic does it

5. your demonbasher does not deal high damage due to castdelay and neither does he have decent % of gold on his eq....
I was only mentioning different ways of barbs do act and do the chaos.. simply using the skills avialable to get the job done....

does your ww not use berserk versus PI monsters,
is stunning a mob and taking out the boss/IM caster first not a really simple way to take care of the monsters

your ranting about enthusiasm with building chars inferior by trying to sell them as superior has nothing to do with "old school" or cookie cutter

it is merely seeing something flashy, building on it, and ending up worse

This post was edited by Ancalagon on Sep 2 2008 01:27am

Seems quite easy.

another nice guide by izparagonzi

enjoyable to read

Is Okay

Pretty good guide. 10/10

Nice to see you again. You can have your WW Barb, have the base 1 point Zerk, do other Area's, basically he is a PvM WW Barb, not a Goldfind SPECIFIC barb.

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How are you going these days Mischa? long time no see.

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Thank you as well, very nice.


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Thank you all for posting, nice to get feedback

goldfind specific=
wealth
ik helkmet or cot
chancies
rare boots
wilhelms pride or string
dwarf + dualleacher
highlords
dualoath.... enough to take down travincal and have good eg...
dualali for loot is normaly

faster than your supporter and more gold in the same amount of time

This post was edited by Ancalagon on Sep 2 2008 05:10pm

Wrong. You do not reach same amount of gold in the same time or less.
Even having Dual Ali's you have less GF from loot.
Your Kill Goldfind is way Less. So even in a full game you lose out on % GF

Your Setup and you killing are automatically -2010% Extra Gold
080% GF (Rings)
200% GF (Belt)
900% GF (killing weapons)
300% GF (merc wealth)
150% GF (merc weapon)
100% GF (merc helm)
75-80% GF (ammy)

Even in a full game, the drop ratio will never be good enough to cover the loss of 2000% Extra Gold
Your barb Single Game will kill faster, but not get same gold.

What are you sacrificing by placing skill points into Wpn Mastery and WW?





I have tried a different setup before, a killing barb, this is my much older post, below


General Intro To Build
This is a reconstruction from my Mf Berserker Barb and kills very easily. This build is not a Pure Gold Find Barb. This is of course a Berserker Barb, and so he can kill while being cursed with iron maiden and kill immune physicals with ease.

This is build can be re-equipped for either Magic Find or Standard PvM. You can view these other builds at the bottom of my Signature.

I hope you enjoy this build, I know I have.

-------------------------Attributes & Skills------------------------
Str: NONE = Base 30
Dex: NONE = Base 20
Energy: NONE = Base 10
Vita: BASICALLY ALL

Note: You will have to decide on what one to max out first, or which is better in your opinion, I opted for C
A: Maxing Howl before shout will be good for scaring monsters away for a longer time and better radius
B: Maxing Shout before Howl will be good for you and your mercenaries defence
C: Maxing Shout and Howl together. Basically split the remaining points and putting equal amount into each.

20 Battle Orders: (standard)
20 Berserk (standard)
20 Axe Mastery (standard)
20 Shout (synergy)
20 Howl Max (synergy)
4 Find Item (+skills from items give you "Find Item 42%" after Battle Command, or 49% if you switch to hoto's)
1 Natural Resistences
1 Battle Command
1 All Pre Requisites

Note: If you want better "Find Item" percentage, you can alter your Howl or Shout accordingly.
Find Item Table Diminishing Return factor starts at lvl14.
Level 10 - 11 - 12 - 13 - 14 - 15 - 16 - 17 - 18 - 19 - 20
%%: 42 - 44 - 45 - 46 - 47 - 47 - 49 - 49 - 50 - 50 - 51

---------------------Weapon Options & Items--------------------
Okay, now this has two options of weapons for you to use.
Option 1: More extra gold% = 750% gf
Weapon 1 Eth 5 socket Rune master Axe (zod & 4x Lem): This weapon is equipped first, as this is the weapon you will be doing all the killing with.
Weapon 2 6x Lem'd Axe: This weapon equipped last.

Option 2: Quicker Killing & Less extra gold% = 450% gf
Weapon 1 Griefz or ebotdz: This weapon is equipped first. (Note: I prefer griefz, but giving you option)
Weapon 2 6x Lem'd Axe: This weapon equipped last.

Items
Helm Arreats Face (shael'd for 50%fhr to reach 5frame bp)
Armor Enigma MP: (teleport, +skills, +str and mf) = +1%mf per lvl
Ammy Highlords: (+1skill, 20%ias)
Ring 1 Dwarf Star=100%gf
Ring 2 Dwarf Star=100%gf
Belt Goldwrap (10% ias, 75-80% gf, & 30% mf. Upping this gives you 16slots for pots) = 75-80%gf
Boots Infernostride: = 60%-70%gf
Gloves Chance Guards 200%gf

Switch Wpns
2x Hoto's (+skills for Howl & Teleport, fcr for tele'ing and keeping up your resistences)

Inventory
Gheeds: 140-160%gf
Anni: x/x/x
Torch: x/x
Extra Gold sc's: 9% to 10% gf'ers about 10-15 = 90%-135%gf

----------------Resistence Breakdown Mf/Res Charms---------------
The table below covers the basic resistences in hell difficulty. You can use charms to max out resistences or even stack some or all.

_____Base____Anya___1 Nat Res____Gear____P-Anni/Torch
Cold ___-100_____-70________-58________+4________+54
Fire____-100_____-70________-28________+34________+84
Light___-100_____-70________-58________+39_______+75(79)
Poison _-100_____-70________-58________+4________+54

Extra Gold Charms needed to Max out Resistences:
6x Shimmering Small Charms of Greed = 9-10% Extra Gold with 5% All Resistences
OR
3x Sapphire Small Charm of Greed = 9-10% Extra Gold with 10-11% Cold Resistence
1x Ruby Small Charm of Greed = 9-10% Extra Gold with 10-11% Fire Resistence
1x Amber Small Charm of Greed = 9-10% Extra Gold with 10-11% Lightning Resistence
3x Emerald Small Charm of Greed = 9-10% Extra Gold with 10-11% Poison Resistence

-------------------------Mercenary & Items------------------------
Merc: Act1 Rogue Fire (if cold, likely chance to shatter body)
Shako or Ral'd Andys Visage (at lvl83) Note: eth better
Ebugged Fort
Faith
- Fanatic Aura Lvl13 = Party Damage +% (127) / Attack Speed +% (32) / Attack +% (100)
- Fanatic Aura Lvl14 = Party Damage +% (135) / Attack Speed +% (33) / Attack +% (105)
- Fanatic Aura Lvl15 = Party Damage +% (144) / Attack Speed +% (33) / Attack +% (110)
Note: One disadvantage of Faith is the "10% Reanimate As: Returned".

-------------------------Belt Setup/Hotkeys------------------------
1 Super Healing
2 Super Mana
3 Full Juvs
4 Full Juvs

My Hotkeys Righthand setup, reverse for lefthand
Berserk This is hardset to the left mouse button, no hotkeys
F1 N/A
F2 Teleport
F3 Howl
F4 Concentration

F5 Battle Command
F6 Shout
F7 Battle Orders
F8 Town Portals

-------------------------General Info------------------------
Berserker Skill: Convert Physical Damage into Magic Damage.
Pro's: Easily kill Physical Immunes, ignores effects from Spirit of Barbs, Iron Maiden and Thorns.
Con's: Zero Defence & no Life/Mana Steal or leech from Life Tap.
Note: When wielding a �Shield� while using the �Berserk Skill� can cause you to go into �Block Lock� animation, this is when you will not be able to do any action. This is why I have not opted for a shield like SS or Pheonix.

Gold Find 1595%

Eldritch/Shenk
Basically tele to eldritch, howl lesser minions, kill eldritch, hork bod, then tele to shenk, howl lesser minions, kill shenk (hork the bods around) Note: No gold drop from Eldritch/Shenk

Pindle
Same as Eldritch/Shenk. Tele into pin area, howl, kill & hork pindles bod. Note: No gold drop from Pindle.

Chaos
Can kill and clear this area without dying, but, this is a slow process. You could opt to tele to the seals, open, howl, kill boss, hork bod, repeat all seals and Kill Diablo.

Travincal
You should not need to howl them, BUT, do not go in head first, just draw them out (stand in between the two pools). Kill them as they come in close, hork bods at the same time. (if mauled by pack, you will need to either Howl or use Concentration).

Meph
Standard switch to hoto's tele there (this will require mana potting, to counter just run, tele over obstructions following one wall [left wall or right wall]). Kill council members on lvl 3, hork bods, then kill meph.

Pit/Ancient Tunnels = Slow runs but effective for finding gg items.
Basically you just need to use Concentration on mass monsters mauling you, Berserk archers/casters and stranded lesser, you can hork all bods or just the champions/bosses.

This post was edited by izParagonzi on Sep 2 2008 06:35pm

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