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Aug 13 2009 11:11pm
Quote (StarDragon102 @ Thu, Aug 13 2009, 08:58pm)
Chaos = Runic Talon
Fools claw 2/2 40 ias base = Feral Claw
Fools claw 2/3 0 ias base = Runic Talon

Physical damage is the same for both fools claw, other minor mods which don't help ether.
So Chaos - 2/3 fools = 9ias

or 2/2fools - chaos = 9ias (400 less trap dmg but fools on primary claw)


Honestly I'd say find a new fools claw.
You don't need a fools claw 100% of the time. A 3 LS fury works great.
Find a fools runic with at least 30 IAS and it'll be fine.
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Quote (Bryant @ Thu, Aug 13 2009, 11:11pm)
Honestly I'd say find a new fools claw.
You don't need a fools claw 100% of the time. A 3 LS fury works great.
Find a fools runic with at least 30 IAS and it'll be fine.


Wouldn't the 2/2 40ias fools work better than a 3ls fury most of the time? not to mention more trap dmg/ar, less skill points into clawblock etc..
I'm still looking for a fury for a backup for low defense chars like sorc etc. But I'm talking as fools being the claw I'll use 90% of the time.
Curious why I should to be looking for a new fools, current one hits all bp's 2/2 isn't perfect but, finding a 2/3/30+ias base would cost a fortune atm) (ladder btw)
Dunno how I can find a better fools than that except for more %ED as it is low, but atm can't afford to spend 3k+fg on a claw. xD

I'm just wondering if its better to keep a 2/3 fools on secondary or a 2/2/40 fools on primary (at the cost of 330 trap dmg.)

Thanks again for the answer, just needing a little more of an explanation ^^.

This post was edited by StarDragon102 on Aug 14 2009 12:34am
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Aug 14 2009 12:39am
Quote (StarDragon102 @ Thu, Aug 13 2009, 11:31pm)
Wouldn't the 2/2 40ias fools work better than a 3ls fury most of the time? not to mention more trap dmg/ar, less skill points into clawblock etc..
I'm still looking for a fury for a backup for low defense chars like sorc etc. But I'm talking as fools being the claw I'll use 90% of the time.
Curious why I should to be looking for a new fools, current one hits all bp's 2/2 isn't perfect but, finding a 2/3/30+ias base would cost a fortune atm) (ladder btw)
Dunno how I can find a better fools than that except for more %ED as it is low, but atm can't afford to spend 3k+fg on a claw. xD

I'm just wondering if its better to keep a 2/3 fools on secondary or a 2/2/40 fools on primary  (at the cost of 330 trap dmg.)

Thanks again for the answer, just needing a little more of an explanation ^^.


VS most chars you won't need a fools claw. I usually only use my fools claw against max block dins.
I said get a new fools claw because my preference on a fools claw is to have ED on it, which yours doesn't. I really don't like fools claws without ED. Using venom/ow to just drain is an old outdated way to play.
My fools claw is 30 IAS 243 runic on ladder and it costed me only 80 FG. A fools claw with ED on it shouldn't be too expensive unless you want specific ones with LS on it. Sacrificing some trap damage to hit the opponent more and harder is something I'd take any day.
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Aug 14 2009 06:24am
Quote (Bryant @ Fri, Aug 14 2009, 07:39am)
VS most chars you won't need a fools claw. I usually only use my fools claw against max block dins.
I said get a new fools claw because my preference on a fools claw is to have ED on it, which yours doesn't. I really don't like fools claws without ED. Using venom/ow to just drain is an old outdated way to play.
My fools claw is 30 IAS 243 runic on ladder and it costed me only 80 FG. A fools claw with ED on it shouldn't be too expensive unless you want specific ones with LS on it. Sacrificing some trap damage to hit the opponent more and harder is something I'd take any day.


But I've found in game that the ED and phys dmg really doesn't do much. Perhaps its better to just bleed the opponent by massive OW and venom (which we have both of in plenty amount)

And also, the fools is I find almost an invaluable claw. I can't seem to duel most chars without it cuz many of the chars these days go for max block or what not. Besides, without the fools mod, I find that the AR is very pitiful :/
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Aug 14 2009 06:26am
Quote (xelnanga @ Fri, 14 Aug 2009, 15:24)
But I've found in game that the ED and phys dmg really doesn't do much. Perhaps its better to just bleed the opponent by massive OW and venom (which we have both of in plenty amount)

And also, the fools is I find almost an invaluable claw. I can't seem to duel most chars without it cuz many of the chars these days go for max block or what not. Besides, without the fools mod, I find that the AR is very pitiful :/


Fools claw wont really help vs lowdef chars no matter if they have mb or not
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Aug 14 2009 11:54am
Quote (Bryant @ Fri, Aug 14 2009, 12:39am)
VS most chars you won't need a fools claw. I usually only use my fools claw against max block dins.
I said get a new fools claw because my preference on a fools claw is to have ED on it, which yours doesn't. I really don't like fools claws without ED. Using venom/ow to just drain is an old outdated way to play.
My fools claw is 30 IAS 243 runic on ladder and it costed me only 80 FG. A fools claw with ED on it shouldn't be too expensive unless you want specific ones with LS on it. Sacrificing some trap damage to hit the opponent more and harder is something I'd take any day.


aye, still for my build, I need the 2 sin skills. helps get max block as well as gg for casting venom and fade etc. I already gave a 285%ed fools runic 30ias. The one with 2/2 is 35%ed not much but I find that the extra 1k trap dmg,more skill points for synergys, clawblock being easier to hit 60% etc. from a 2/2 is more helpful than 500-700 physical dmg, (due to the amount DR I see, it just doesn't help a lot). Ofc I'm going to try to find a high ed fools in the future with 2sin skill if possbile, and I am still going to use fury occasionally, but still my question remains:

Does fools work just as well on secondary claw as well as primary?
and if so is it worth having to sacrificing trap dmg for the fools to be primary.

This post was edited by StarDragon102 on Aug 14 2009 11:56am
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Quote (StarDragon102 @ Fri, Aug 14 2009, 12:54pm)
aye, still for my build, I need the 2 sin skills. helps get max block as well as gg for casting venom and fade etc. I already gave a 285%ed fools runic 30ias. The one with 2/2 is 35%ed not much but I find that the extra 1k trap dmg,more skill points for synergys, clawblock being easier to hit 60% etc. from a 2/2 is more helpful than 500-700 physical dmg, (due to the amount DR I see, it just doesn't help a lot). I am still going to use fury occasionally, but still my question remains:

Does fools work just as well on secondary claw as well as primary?
and if so is it worth having to sacrificing trap dmg for the fools to be primary.


I actually have been experimenting with this since I got a new 212ed, +2sin, 30ias, fools feral. I use a suw chaos but wsm bug. I lost +3 to ls but I find the increase in lay speed made this worthwhile.
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Quote (myfryhole @ Fri, Aug 14 2009, 11:58am)
I actually have been experimenting with this since I got a new 212ed, +2sin, 30ias, fools feral. I use a suw chaos but wsm bug. I lost +3 to ls but I find the increase in lay speed made this worthwhile.


:) sorta what im asking, atm I hit 9 frame lay speed on either claw so im not worried about that, The one has to be secondary to hit 9 frames though, other one can be primary. I'm wondering if your ww is more effective with fools on primary to justify the 400 trap dmg loss? Nothing else changes besides fools going from primary to secondary.
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Aug 14 2009 12:27pm
Quote (tudey @ Fri, 14 Aug 2009, 14:26)
Fools claw wont really help vs lowdef chars no matter if they have mb or not


Hehe, what do you do if you are facing a paladin with high defense but with no block?
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Aug 14 2009 12:32pm
Quote (StarDragon102 @ Fri, Aug 14 2009, 01:24pm)
:) sorta what im asking, atm I hit 9 frame lay speed on either claw so im not worried about that, The one has to be secondary to hit 9 frames though, other one can be primary. I'm wondering if your ww is more effective with fools on primary to justify the 400 trap dmg loss? Nothing else changes besides fools going from primary to secondary.


its the fools ww damage I've been testing between a prim suw eth fools, self repairing and a feral off hand. so far I've not seen a huge dif. I think the primary does more damage and hits more but the difference is not that huge.
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