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Apr 27 2011 05:53pm
Quote (Dwerfs @ Apr 27 2011 05:50pm)
ye i understand, dam i wuz dum to not think at it before considering the discuss we had on da lld foren

but wouldnt an enigma dusk or so just do the same, except that it would give more frw ?


if ur str glitching it yeah, it depends on setup, but ideally you want a high strength requirement light armor, but its *extremely* difficult to be able to both str glitch and pick up your body when you die, for most builds. impossible for many (since if enigma helps you equip other items....)
but for his idea of having your sync just a little bit higher because you're displaying using a medium armor, I don't think theres much difference. Maybe a little, but its subtracting the same value from both client & server.
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Apr 27 2011 05:54pm
it just occurred to me that mewi probably has no idea how desync works, either.
Probably never heard "dead reckoning" once in the 12 years of her life.
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Quote (Goomshill @ Apr 27 2011 06:49pm)
keep dodging, pansy
I accepted your challenge, now stop trying to back out



eh its calculated as a flat value taken off it, not stacking multiplicatively with the bonus of +%frw, so I don't think it would really cause any sync
but as I'm sure you know, you *can* sync very heavily with enigma by str glitching it so that its not equipped (medium/heavy actually hurting it for that use), so that its +45% is str glitched

but yeah gothic is a good compromise between style and utility, but either str glitched xxxxx or mage plate is probably the best utility, and gothic the #1 style

all in all there isn't too much difference except with str glitching, but that really depends on setup and theres no way I could do it and be able to pick up my gear without losing buckets of HP


I am not dodging I am offering you the chance to prove that you can kill my zon with yours, as you claimed my zon was "horrid" and you could beat her easily? So where is your proof if you are unwilling to put your zon to the test where as I am? For free but you want me to pay through the nose for a duel with you? please.
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Quote (Goomshill @ Apr 27 2011 11:42pm)
iunno, I do like the black leather front, but its the bare nekkid legs that kill all the others for me.
gothic has that same black front, but then has golden legs/shoulders/arms, giving you a fully plated appearance

now I wish griffs was anything but a circlet. I really want my zon to look fully armored as a tank, considering thats what most people comment on her
most zons running around with no leggings are 500 hp glass zons that die to a stiff breeze
my zon can hit 4k+ hp, is fully armored and soaks up damage like a god damn brick house

I wouldn't want her looking like some naked butt runner


used to use ancient armor and 08 valks on my zon, god she looked so mean, then that damn valk went all poofie like :wallbash:

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Apr 27 2011 05:56pm
Quote (Dwerfs @ Apr 27 2011 07:50pm)
ye i understand, dam i wuz dum to not think at it before considering the discuss we had on da lld foren

but wouldnt an enigma dusk or so just do the same, except that it would give more frw ?


dusk would give you more frw, but there would be a smaller difference between the server frw and opponent client frw. that difference helps create desync, so it is best to make it large if possible. note that this only applies if you're using frw charms or str bugged frw items
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Quote (mewi @ Apr 27 2011 05:55pm)
I am not dodging I am offering you the chance to prove that you can kill my zon with yours, as you claimed my zon was "horrid" and you could beat her easily?  So where is your proof if you are unwilling to put your zon to the test where as I am?  For free but you want me to pay through the nose for a duel with you?  please.


keep dodging, pansy
I accepted your challenge, now stop trying to back out
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Apr 27 2011 05:57pm
Quote (Goomshill @ Apr 27 2011 07:53pm)
but for his idea of having your sync just a little bit higher because you're displaying using a medium armor, I don't think theres much difference. Maybe a little, but its subtracting the same value from both client & server.


it's subtracting the same amount from client & server which makes other sources of bugged frw more significant due to the formula's diminishing returns

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Apr 27 2011 06:01pm
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it's subtracting the same amount from client & server which makes other sources of bugged frw more significant due to the formula's diminishing returns


ok it doesn't interact with the diminishing returns, but you're right in a sense;
it subtracts the same from both client and server, so the difference in terms of absolute value is the same
but the difference in terms of *percentage* is indeed higher, so yeah it should sync a little


like the difference between 9.0 and 7.5 is 1.5 or -16.7%, whereas the difference between 8.5 and 7.0 is 1.5 or -17.6%
so yeah, a little bit extra sync I suppose


but yeah like we agree, just str glitching a dusk or w/e would be the best way

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Quote (Goomshill @ Apr 27 2011 08:01pm)
ok it doesn't interact with the diminishing returns, but you're right in a sense;
it subtracts the same from both client and server, so the difference in terms of absolute value is the same
but the difference in terms of *percentage* is indeed higher, so yeah it should sync a little


like the difference between 9.0 and 7.5 is 1.5 or -16.7%, whereas the difference between 8.5 and 7.0 is 1.5 or -17.6%
so yeah, a little bit extra sync I suppose


but yeah like we agree, just str glitching a dusk or w/e would be the best way


i think you're forgetting that the frw formula has diminishing returns
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Apr 27 2011 06:05pm
Quote (DrakeMillers @ Apr 27 2011 06:02pm)
i think you're forgetting that the frw formula has diminishing returns


it does, but not for armor penalties.
specifically, its:

RunTU/s = eFRW + [(Vrun * 100)/Vwalk] + (1+ (FRWskill+Slow)/100%) - 100 - ∑Armorspeed
eFRW = [(150 * FRWitem) / (150 + FRWitem)]


the - ∑Armorspeed is subtracted as a lump sum right off the top, with no diminishing returns.
its -0.2 per medium item and -0.4 per heavy item
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