well one angelic ring gives 1150 ar or so (depends on lvl but at say lvl 96)

raven gives 250 ar so that's 1150- 250

= 900

i figured 20 dex = 40 life but that can be taken out since angelic ring + amu gives 95 life. so thats actually 95-40 = 55 life advantage for angelic

so

900 ar + 55 life actually.

i think your missing the life.... A raven/angelics build = 95 life + 29 dex +310 ar. With angelics set you have 115 life +900 ar. So you lose base dex which = more life in other setups but gain in ar.

with hsarus setup... You can use raven/raven which will give 40 dex + 500 ar. you will want to ber your SS/jalahs since you want max dr. and harsus gives more ar. and highlords gives 1 all skills

This post was edited by Soccergoal10 on May 23 2010 02:24pm

lets do the comparison more exact

2300 ar ( angelic ) - (960 ar (hsarus) + 500 ar(2 ravens))

2300 - 1460 = 840 base ar difference

also 40 dex from 2 raves - 10 dex from angelics = 30 dex = 60 life

angelic amu + rings = 115 life

so; 115- 60 = 55 life advantage for angelic

so to break it down (more exact this time)

840 base ar
55 life
15% cb
10% ow
1 free sock

vs

21% ds
1 all skills.

This post was edited by Kosmos on May 23 2010 02:31pm

forgot the belts lol

verdungo also gives 10 fhr and 40 vita.

hsarus belt gives 20 life so lets subtract that too.

then it's

840 base ar
35 life
15% cb
10% ow
1 free sock
40 vita
10% fhr

vs

21% ds
1 all skills.

now when comparing them more exact I conclude that angelic build is better than hsarus build.

This post was edited by Kosmos on May 23 2010 02:37pm

yeah I hate to be a pain... But dex = more ar. and plus in hsarus setup you got an extra socket for 30ed/60ar/9dex/8 life (theoretically). Also... most barbs average how much def? 8k-15k unless bvb? you shouldnt need the extra ar from 3x angelics.... 2x angelics +raven etc would be better.

but to go with hsarus... you gain 40 dex + that jewel +high boost in ar. And the more dex in your setup... the better your vs caster setups can be

This post was edited by Soccergoal10 on May 23 2010 02:39pm

so you with this you are saying that you rather put points in dex than in vita ??? strange..

also...

I thought we where talking against bvb all the time. angelic build is intended to be against bvb barbs.

against bvc highlords + 2 * ravens will suffice...

no. my initial question was about barbs. I dont know anyone who bvbs against other rabies/fury druids. I needed a way to deal with them since rabies doesnt kill them fast enough.

yes bvc can actually be very tough since you end up alot in blocklock because of 2 axes.

but good thing is they dont have too much defence so you can suffice with hl + ravens.

against bvc i suggest

jallal 40/20 life
hl
storm shael
ebotz
2 ravens (or raven + stat ring)
forty ap
dungo
gores
dracs

you have to rabies them otherwise they will just ww away from you. if rabiesed they have to be offensive. then just shift + fury.

This post was edited by Kosmos on May 23 2010 02:56pm

yeah the problem I was having is that rabies doesnt do enough dmge to really bother them. But I guess it will chip away at them if they dont stay on me which means I just need to practice the duel

well it wont bother them alot but some... enough to make them offensive and attack you.

main damage against highlife chars is really your physical damage not rabies.

This post was edited by Kosmos on May 23 2010 03:05pm