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Aug 12 2009 10:51am
Quote (*StyLuS* @ Wed, Aug 12 2009, 04:38pm)
Ok question.

Is it significantly worse to use a Feral/Feral than it would be Feral/Runic or Feral/Suwayyah

whats the main differences/weakness?


ias bps and base claw damage.

feral/feral = 63ias bp
runic/feral = 52ias bp
runic/feral wsm bugged = 34ias bp
feral/suwayyah wsm bugged = 42ias bp
runic/suwayyah wsm bugged = 19ias bp

higher base damage claws are obviously better for damage. but faster combined speeds means you can use a claw without ias on it (if you happen to have a nice ed% fools that lacks ias) and still get bps, or just open up sockets elsewhere in yoursetup from being bound to ias. or just for higher ias stacking to negate slow.
also if you want to avoid wsm bugging you'll have to go with faster claws.


as long as you can reach your ias bps all claw types are viable, all really depends on whats the best rare claw you can get since rare claws vary in quality by far, then work around that to make the rest of your setup reach the bps.
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Aug 12 2009 10:54am
Quote (Ziecheik @ Wed, Aug 12 2009, 12:51pm)
ias bps and base claw damage.

feral/feral = 63ias bp
runic/feral = 52ias bp
runic/feral wsm bugged = 34ias bp
feral/suwayyah wsm bugged = 42ias bp
runic/suwayyah wsm bugged = 19ias bp

higher base damage claws are obviously better for damage. but faster combined speeds means you can use a claw without ias on it (if you happen to have a nice ed% fools that lacks ias) and still get bps, or just open up sockets elsewhere in yoursetup from being bound to ias. or just for higher ias stacking to negate slow.
also if you want to avoid wsm bugging you'll have to go with faster claws.


as long as you can reach your ias bps all claw types are viable, all really depends on whats the best rare claw you can get since rare claws vary in quality by far, then work around that to make the rest of your setup reach the bps.



ok thanks that helped alot
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Aug 12 2009 10:57am
This would really suck against the necs the shield themselves with 30+ revives
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Aug 12 2009 10:58am
Quote (GodlyJman94 @ Wed, 12 Aug 2009, 19:57)
This would really suck against the necs the shield themselves with 30+ revives


not really
and if all else fails, you can always camp in corner for 3min if you wish
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Aug 12 2009 11:00am
Quote (GodlyJman94 @ Wed, Aug 12 2009, 12:57pm)
This would really suck against the necs the shield themselves with 30+ revives


fire traps, mb, kick >
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Aug 12 2009 11:02am
Quote (GodlyJman94 @ Wed, Aug 12 2009, 12:57pm)
This would really suck against the necs the shield themselves with 30+ revives


or i cast life tap with marrowwalks and then cast slow missle with sanc shield.... in the end if u want bm i'll beat the necro down with dragon claw....

i can even bone prison once the necro is stunned to prevent wsg out of my traps too... or if i wanted to i could vive magic immunes back with eternity wep and just kick/trap to kill the necro

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Aug 12 2009 11:03am
Quote (GodlyJman94 @ Wed, Aug 12 2009, 09:57am)
This would really suck against the necs the shield themselves with 30+ revives


Not really....
MB them out of revives.
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Aug 12 2009 01:42pm
Quote (Azn Masta @ Wed, Aug 12 2009, 05:02pm)
or i cast life tap with marrowwalks and then cast slow missle with sanc shield.... in the end if u want bm i'll beat the necro down with dragon claw....

i can even bone prison once the necro is stunned to prevent wsg out of my traps too... or if i wanted to i could vive magic immunes back with eternity wep and just kick/trap to kill the necro


So much extra work.
Just cloak the viving nec, minions do not attack while cloaked even at melee with you, teleport on nec, easy namelock dclaw through vives, bye bye pubbie nec. nn to change up gear.
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Quote (Ziecheik @ Wed, Aug 12 2009, 02:42pm)
Just cloak the viving nec, minions do not attack while cloaked even at melee with you.


eh?....?
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Aug 12 2009 01:45pm
Quote (deathwinger @ Wed, Aug 12 2009, 07:43pm)
eh?....?


yy.
cloak of shadows stops all minions (not mercs, but minions like vives and shadows and whateverelse) from attacking while they are cloaked. you can teleport to melee with the cloaked minions and they will not touch you.

of course the godly grizzly can just be recast to get rid of the cloak, but it works wonders vs vives. also it makes all the minions stop moving and bunch up and stack when the necro teleports, this makes namelocking the necro very very easy through all his summons, also makes followup chainlock stomps easy since you can namelock through vives on every stomp np.
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