not in my opinion. what does hsarus give, 900 ar something + 500 from ravens. angelic gives 2,2 k a little more, much better alternative. aswell as you wont have to sacrafice the dr from dungo + the ow/ds/cb from gores!


yes it would. never seen such pelt though.

This post was edited by Kosmos on May 23 2010 01:43pm

and yes dracs is a better choice against barb. but bm most would say i guess...

hsarus gives 10 ar per level while angelics give 12 ar per lvl.
reason I ask is cuz you give up minor ar for more ds. but you do lose cb/ow.
You will ber your ss/jalahs. so you lose shael in SS and some minor stuff for more ds. I honestly dont know if it would be worth it. just an idea to throw out there.



where I play... 1 piece tap = gm. so I would switch between dracs/trang depending on matchup and whether the rabies boost is worth it. even without trangs rabies cant really be ignored although vs some rabies boost might be necessary

This post was edited by Soccergoal10 on May 23 2010 01:49pm

its an alternative, some like it better. not me.

to break it down it's

angelic build
500 base ar
10 ow
10% frw
15% cb
1 free socket

vs

hsarus build
21% ds
+1 all skills


tough choice but i choose the first.

This post was edited by Kosmos on May 23 2010 01:55pm

I don't know maybe you are right. now when i broke it down hsarus might actually be a better alternative

This post was edited by Kosmos on May 23 2010 01:56pm

well... the question is how much ar do you gain from +1 all skills. if it matches or comes close to the 500 ar boost... then its basically
+1 skills (minus werewolf/fury/rabies ar bonus cuz its already taken into account)
21 ds
vs
10 ow
15 cb
2 sockets.

frw isnt really needed in this duel imo so its nulled. one of the sockets is taken cuz of Shael. and the other you said 20/15... but hsarus belt gives 20 life. so i would only lose the 40 vit from dungos... but get +1Bo etc... hope that made sense.



yeah thanks for entertaining my ideas. I just want the best build options

This post was edited by Soccergoal10 on May 23 2010 02:00pm

no i forgot it's actually 1 socket since you need cham rune with angelics.

1 skills wouldn't come close to what 500 base ar gives in total ar bonus. 50 base ar might be close to what 1 skill gives in terms of ar. but it gives other advantages like life and damage so maybe it's comparable to about base 150-200 ar.

so let's say

300 ar
15% cb
10 ow
1 socket

vs

21% ds

This post was edited by Kosmos on May 23 2010 02:04pm

hmm... I assumed you were using 1x angelic ring/ammy +raven

ah no. 2 * angelic rings ofcourse.

900 base ar > 1 free sock i figured. ^^

This post was edited by Kosmos on May 23 2010 02:10pm

yeah I guess thats true but then thats another 20 dex needed for max block. maybe more than 20 because no jewel in jalahs.
and with a nice jewel... you can get 310 base ar with raven/jalahs, more ed/more dex/etc.