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Sep 27 2011 11:37am
Quote (Azn Masta @ 27 Sep 2011 18:08)
I had an opportunity to get this... but he wanted 11kfg for it...

i didnt think it was worth it

http://i52.tinypic.com/4jrdqg.png


well y 11k is insane
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Sep 27 2011 12:04pm
hammer of a standart hdong with 50 dr setup and 125 fcr with maxed :

max hammer
max concentrate
max vigor
max blessed aim

highest dmg i recived was 2374 dmg with concentration on using a soj on the ring option (best of 16)(only variates very little ~ 20 dmg)
with a non skill ring it was 2256 dmg (best of 16)

means you will need arround 4748 life to be sure to survive 2 hammers when the dong is using soj :/
and at least 4512 when he is using a different ring like sorb or w/e

on eu that numbers are different cause he could also use bb on top of the soj
means a hybsin on eu would need ~ 4750 life when she is facing a hdong assuming he is using a wisp or tg along with a soj or a bb
(i note this for myself cause ghost is not my primary)

/e
this item is automatically 1/3 of ur life down if he has a soj or a bb:
> Coa :o

This post was edited by MoXeR on Sep 27 2011 12:30pm
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Sep 27 2011 12:44pm
Quote (MoXeR @ Sep 27 2011 02:04pm)
hammer of a standart hdong with 50 dr setup and 125 fcr with maxed :

max hammer
max concentrate
max vigor
max blessed aim

highest dmg i recived was 2374 dmg with concentration on using a soj on the ring option (best of 16)(only variates very little ~ 20 dmg)
with a non skill ring it was 2256 dmg (best of 16)

means you will need arround  4748 life to be sure to survive 2 hammers when the dong is using soj :/
and at least 4512 when he is using a different ring like sorb or w/e

on eu that numbers are different cause he could also use bb on top of the soj
means a hybsin on eu would need ~ 4750 life when she is facing a hdong assuming he is using a wisp or tg along with a soj or a bb
(i note this for myself cause ghost is not my primary)

/e
this item is automatically 1/3 of ur life down if he has a soj or a bb:
http://www.d2magic.com/images/226shako141.jpg > Coa :o


so basically my build will let me take 3 hits... but urs will die in 2?

cuz i use 4757 or something like that (4760 w/ a better ring)
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Sep 27 2011 12:46pm
Quote (Azn Masta @ 27 Sep 2011 19:44)
so basically my build will let me take 3 hits... but urs will die in 2?

cuz i use 4757 or something like that (4760 w/ a better ring)


yes
ur build lets u take the 2 hits of a hdong using:

coa
2/20 ammy
9 combats
anni
torch
soj + fcr ring
dungo
trangs
ww
hoto
spirit

but if he uses shako then u are fucked ^^

or if he uses foh from time to time

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Quote (MoXeR @ Sep 27 2011 02:46pm)
yes
ur build lets u take the 2 hits of a hdong using:

coa
2/20 ammy
9 combats
anni
torch
soj + fcr ring
dungo
trangs
ww

but if he uses shako then u are fucked ^^


yea but hdins with shako wont get good dr. so they're easier to kill.

i dont think any think any good hdin i dueled choose shako over coa (cuz on east = no bbelt)
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Quote (MoXeR @ Sep 27 2011 07:04pm)
hammer of a standart hdong with 50 dr setup and 125 fcr with maxed :

max hammer
max concentrate
max vigor
max blessed aim

highest dmg i recived was 2374 dmg with concentration on using a soj on the ring option (best of 16)(only variates very little ~ 20 dmg)
with a fcr it was 2256 dmg (best of 16)

means you will need arround  4748 life to be sure to survive 2 hammers when the dong is using soj :/
and at least 4512 when he is using a different ring like sorb or w/e

on eu that numbers are different cause he could also use bb on top of the soj
means a hybsin on eu would need ~ 4750 life when she is facing a hdong assuming he is using a wisp or tg along with a soj or a bb
(i note this for myself cause ghost is not my primary)

/e
this item is automatically 1/3 of ur life down if he has a soj or a bb:
http://www.d2magic.com/images/226shako141.jpg > Coa :o


Quote (Jeebus666 @ Sep 26 2011 04:05pm)
Ok

But looking back at those numbers, i think I rounded up when applying pvp penalty - when I should have rounded down - this would make the life band --> 4714 - 4748 for tanking 2 hammers, and a hammers damage 2357 - 2374  :P


your numbers sorta seems to agree with mine so i guess they are ok, but really its much easier to use math rather than these in game tests on closed ^^


Quote (Azn Masta @ Sep 27 2011 07:48pm)
yea but hdins with shako wont get good dr. so they're easier to kill.

i dont think any think any good hdin i dueled choose shako over coa (cuz on east = no bbelt)


with shako ber + dungo, u can get 41 dr which is ok, the problem with shako is the clear lack of fhr, more reason to actually use shako on east as dungo gives 10 fhr i guess.

No hammer, will use shako vs a sin tho, most sins are 2 hammers anyway and even if they have like ~20 life left, its just a couple of foh's and dead in any case...

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Sep 27 2011 12:49pm
Quote (Jeebus666 @ 27 Sep 2011 19:48)
your numbers sorta seems to agree with mine so i guess they are ok, but really its much easier to use math rather than these in game tests on closed ^^


well y but i doubt anything and wont consider it until i checked it my self ^
besides its nice to know the 100% exact numbers


Quote (Azn Masta @ 27 Sep 2011 19:48)
yea but hdins with shako wont get good dr. so they're easier to kill.

i dont think any think any good hdin i dueled choose shako over coa (cuz on east = no bbelt)


on eu with shakober + bb he would still hit 46 dr
on east 41 which is still not that low

This post was edited by MoXeR on Sep 27 2011 12:51pm
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Quote (MoXeR @ Sep 27 2011 07:49pm)
well y but i doubt anything and wont consider it until i checked it my self ^
besides its nice to know the 100% exact numbers


what u mean by that? You only get 100% exact numbers with math :P
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Sep 27 2011 12:53pm
Quote (Jeebus666 @ 27 Sep 2011 19:51)
what u mean by that? You only get 100% exact numbers with math :P


i always feel like its better to discover stuff like that within the gamemechanic rather than on the paper

This post was edited by MoXeR on Sep 27 2011 12:53pm
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Sep 29 2011 08:59am
I get destroyed by good hdins.No matter what i use.
Just cant damage him enough due to max block when he jumps me.Many times i dont even land one hit.
Its a matter of time until i make a mistake and eat 2-3 hammers
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