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Dec 12 2009 02:18am
Quote (Pimpslapper @ Dec 12 2009 02:16am)
Haj,

it is a rare sorc that can take more than one volcano LOL, even without Grizzly.
The 200FCR sorcs are pretty hard to catch with it, and it takes some practice but it is funny to watch them stunlocked and die after just one volc. 
I only duel in pubs, so yeah, mostly BM and they ARE tougher, but definitely still beatable.  Are you on EU ladder?


Nope east/ladder :(
Yah volcano is the sorc killing tool from god, but remember that while it tears apart vita sorcs, its bounces harmlessly off es sorcs without the combo. Course, when you *do* volc/bear an ES sorc, its the volcano that finishes them usually. But lord knows that theres a definite cutoff for vita sorcs where they simply die in 1 volcano no matter what they do. Their FHR animation interrupting their cast animation and the sound effects make it look like they're flailing their stubby little arms trying to escape it :D :D :D
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Dec 12 2009 02:23am
Molten Boulder is so underrated. It is awesome vs chargers too. Set up a fissure, make sure he will charge through it, anticipate the desynch, and spit out a boulder. That really hurts lol. I am logging in right now to pwn some pubs as we speak. I haven't played my fire druid since I made my bowazon, but now I have the itch lol...
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Dec 12 2009 02:34am
i play east ladder, ever duel game i go in with my shaman all they do is talk shit saying i'm a newb for makin one they are a shit build. Only issue i have is god danm sorb
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Dec 12 2009 02:37am
and my bear diess before i can even bear strike, I have the exact same gear as your druid, only diff is my pelt is 2 druid 3 griz 3 gedon no socs

This post was edited by Silentdecay02 on Dec 12 2009 02:54am
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Dec 12 2009 02:39am
Sorb is tricky and differs from char to char.
Sorbing smiters/chargers/vts/etc, sorbing BvA's and sorbing ghosts are basically the trickiest duels there are, and often near impossible (sorbing pallys can be beaten by outplaying them with grizzly, though)

For zon/necros/druids/sorcs and most sins it usually doesn't matter as much because physical damage is what kills them in the end.
But yeah sorb is a tricky topic for shamans. Some characters it won't help them at all, and some it makes the duel completely different.
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Dec 12 2009 02:40am
Quote (Hajonston @ 12 Dec 2009 10:11)
well the "GM" smiter would lose by default because he wouldn't be able to absorb fissure. But I'm used to dueling BM smiters who wear hotspurs + rising sun or w/e, and killing them purely with volcano / grizzly. And thats something I've actually gotten fairly good at- hitting a charging paladin with a grizzly strike. The interesting part about Shaman vs Sorb is that it really depends on the character. A BvC who absorbs you can still easily get torn apart by grizzly- its a little like Telesmiter vs BvC, except that he can't just whirl around defensively. But a BvA with absorb is one of the scariest duels for a shaman, that much is true. But take for example a FB sorc. If a fire sorc sees you and thinks "Lol fire I can sorb him", then suddenly the shaman slaps on his hotspurs too. And then you know what happens? The sorc still dies in a single volcano/grizzly combo :S

so yeah, like you say, its a lot to do with matchup. A sorbing smiter is a much much different duel than a GM smiter. But a fire sorc is usually exactly the same :D


LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL AHAHAHAHA LOLOLOL
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Dec 12 2009 02:43am
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and my bear does before i can even bear strike, I have the exact same gear as your druid, only diff is my pelt is 2 druid 3 griz 3 gedon no socs


A lot of it is learning when to namelock teleport, and when not do.
For example, if you drop a volcano on someone, their first reaction is to teleport off it, not shoot back at you. As a result, you can drop a volcano + namelock teleport on someone and the grizzly lands a free hit. If you can namelock a faster teleport on someone than they can on you, you can land free grizzly strikes out of nowhere. Remember that you don't need to namelock for it- just teleport in range, which makes it easier for you than for your opponent. Besides that, it is simply experience with a shaman. If you can anticipate when a BvC ends his whirlwind, you can teleport straight on him as hes still whirling and take no damage, and slap him silly. Never teleport on top of sorceresses who are shooting fireballs / lightning / ice blasts straight at you- teleport behind them, or teleport on them during a volcano/grizzly chainlock.

Grizzly HP is not the issue here- I wouldn't have any problems landing hits with my Grizzly vs most chars even if it had only a single hit point.
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Dec 12 2009 02:47am
Quote (darkkobra @ Dec 12 2009 02:40am)
LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL AHAHAHAHA LOLOLOL


and?
volcano has a huuuuge aoe splash that loves to widdle down charging paladins even through sorb, its even easier to hit with than fissure is (not that you would know that)

And grizzly vs charge is quite the skill to show off. Know how to teleport behind a charging paladin mid charge to knockback him out of it, or namelock on a charger when you anticipate his charge is about to end (even more dangerous than namelocking on a ww barb obviously- its something that takes player skill, something dumbkobra would never have). Taking out sorbing paladins with my shaman is sort of.... my specialty. Its fun to send smiters/hammerdonks/vts cruising to akara and back.

Maybe when 1.13 comes out they'll take my advice and remake with a token ^____________________________^




oh gawd 1.13 is gonna help insults. Ill offer people in dueling games free tokens of absolutions to remake their shitty chars with ^__^

This post was edited by Hajonston on Dec 12 2009 02:47am
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Dec 12 2009 03:54am
and all the dmg u listed is wrong?? my fissures and volcano are not near 4k there at 2k...I got the same set up u listed, with the godly pelt............ and charms
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Quote (Silentdecay02 @ Dec 12 2009 03:54am)
and all the dmg u listed is wrong?? my fissures and volcano are not near 4k there at 2k...I got the same set up u listed, with the godly pelt............ and charms


did you add the skill points as I laid out- if you used a different build it will be different
and are you adding the skill damage on volcano?

My damages on my budget shaman with very mediocre gear (+2 druid +3 volcano +2 how helm, no geddon) (level 92) are as follow:
3538-3697 Fissure
2409-2564 Volcano
2480-2728 Molten Boulder
4669-5473 Armageddon
5155-5319 Grizzly
+195% Heart of Wolverine
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