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Mar 13 2009 03:22am
I made this one last year, and it was fucking great. Accounts are banned now >_<

I think I'll build this one yet again. It was truely good and very, very fun to play
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Mar 13 2009 12:14pm
Quote (Spoogles @ Thu, Mar 12 2009, 09:57pm)
It is a part of the game, but not a full inventory worth of it
A couple, fine
But anything past like 5 I personally see kinda foolish

I just think there are better inventory fillers


poison is never bm, only against melee and in zvz. If u bitch about it, its rather ur problem. If ur going by this logic, then why isnt a sin's venom, necs nova or druids rabies bm? Thats all poison too, what difference does it make coming from a charm?

Quote (Addiktive @ Thu, Mar 12 2009, 10:07pm)
If you fill your entire inventory with poison charms then you can't very well expect your opponent not to antidote stack now can you?


Just like how a sorc or trapper can get sorbed, or a zon/smiter can get decep/hf put on him.

everyone can be victim to bm like this, not just this zon.
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Mar 13 2009 12:42pm
Thats hardly equivocal. A Bowazon can avoid the issue of getting antidote stacked by actually dealing some physical damage instead of nearly all poison. Going 100% poison is like building a huge weakness into your Zon - one which you expect your opponent to entertain by not even attempting to counter it.

Except for all out, anything goes duels there are limits to how much it is appropriate to sorb based on mutual respect and a sense of fairness. If you go all poison damage then you simply cannot expect your opponent to do anything other than antidote stack like a motherfucker.
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Mar 14 2009 10:16am
Quote (Addiktive @ Fri, Mar 13 2009, 01:42pm)
Thats hardly equivocal. A Bowazon can avoid the issue of getting antidote stacked by actually dealing some physical damage instead of nearly all poison. Going 100% poison is like building a huge weakness into your Zon - one which you expect your opponent to entertain by not even attempting to counter it.

Except for all out, anything goes duels there are limits to how much it is appropriate to sorb based on mutual respect and a sense of fairness. If you go all poison damage then you simply cannot expect your opponent to do anything other than antidote stack like a motherfucker.


This zon does do physical damage. The bow does not deal poison dmg, it deals physical dmg. While the physical dmg is low, it does exist. Add in the fact that u have 70%+ crit, then physical is still a good ally on this zon. While the poison dmg deals most of the damage, 1-2k physical with 70%+ crit will still hurt a bit with all that poison eating at you.

also... even if this zon was pure poison damage, why does that mean they have to stack out the ass? Rabies is pure poison, so is a nec's nova. Does that mean u have to stack shitloads? Ive beaten both those chars without stacking, and if some of these "good" people can hit this zon easily as they say, then they shouldnt need stack to beat it.
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Mar 14 2009 11:05am
You are not talking about desyncing in your guide... is your zons capable of this or not? Or you dont use it at all?

Guide looks good btw smile.gif
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Quote (Mr_Brok @ Sat, Mar 14 2009, 12:05pm)
You are not talking about desyncing in your guide... is your zons capable of this or not? Or you dont use it at all?

Guide looks good btw smile.gif


It is possible to synch with this, however it is generally not needed because of the ability to tele. Frw is used as a way to get out of fhr situations like mb or evading chars enough until u tele away again.
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Quote (Mr_Brok @ Sat, Mar 14 2009, 12:05pm)
You are not talking about desyncing in your guide... is your zons capable of this or not? Or you dont use it at all?

Guide looks good btw smile.gif


Later on I used a 20fcr/30frw/2os +mods circlet which gave me around 150%+/- frw. She had desynch, and I would run more often than teleporting in certain duels. The +'s to having both a high speed tele and desynch are phenomenal and worked exceptionally well. (say your opponent catches you: simply switch glitch and desynch from the duel, teleport some distance and continue the assault.. desynching before you tele throws off your true position during a duel, because of this, prediction of the teleport also becomes more difficult to pinpoint)


Quote (Addiktive @ Fri, Mar 13 2009, 01:42pm)
Thats hardly equivocal. A Bowazon can avoid the issue of getting antidote stacked by actually dealing some physical damage instead of nearly all poison. Going 100% poison is like building a huge weakness into your Zon - one which you expect your opponent to entertain by not even attempting to counter it.

Except for all out, anything goes duels there are limits to how much it is appropriate to sorb based on mutual respect and a sense of fairness. If you go all poison damage then you simply cannot expect your opponent to do anything other than antidote stack like a motherfucker.


How can you treat poison as different from fire/lite/cold? Is it not unfair that a hit from blizzard with mass -resists knocks 95% of players life 1/4 to 1/2 to all? Not only that, it's 200 fg max to build a decent tal sorc (played well). The charms my zon used are not easy to come by.

I avoid the issue with a 4k life valk and 1-2k phys dmg base, high level passives, desynch, etc. (yes valk hits, yes people nl the valk 80% more often than the zon)

Quote (BuLa @ Fri, Mar 13 2009, 04:22am)
I made this one last year, and it was fucking great. Accounts are banned now >_<

I think I'll build this one yet again. It was truely good and very, very fun to play


It really is, and not overly complicated like the ghost asn build.


Quote (topgun @ Fri, Mar 13 2009, 03:46am)
LOL RASHEEDA GOT SLAMMED BY ME.



Lies.

Quote (Addiktive @ Thu, Mar 12 2009, 10:07pm)
If you fill your entire inventory with poison charms then you can't very well expect your opponent not to antidote stack now can you?


Most people aren't intelligent enough to do so. In such a case, the duel would rely on skill. Like I've said 350-700 arrows > a belt full of antidotes. + If I recognize an increase in life of any sort, or no damage being done (as psn will still affect life a considerable amount unless opponent is stacking antidote and using psn res and red equip I can switch to slow equipment and rely on phys dmg or heal. :/ This build was invented to be used against people who do not duel fairly, to expect me to duel fairly when you do everything in your power to fuck me over is ridiculous.


Quote (Spoogles @ Thu, Mar 12 2009, 09:57pm)
It is a part of the game, but not a full inventory worth of it
A couple, fine
But anything past like 5 I personally see kinda foolish

I just think there are better inventory fillers



It fits the build perfectly. A full vita tele zon will not have the dex or equipment to back any physical damage build. Using 3/20/20s in this case would be foolish, the damage bonuses from the +3 max would not match those from poison.

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Quote (o777o @ Wed, 18 Mar 2009, 06:30)
garbage


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Quote (sorowfulhatred @ Wed, 18 Mar 2009, 02:19)
Later on I used a 20fcr/30frw/2os +mods circlet which gave me around 150%+/- frw. She had desynch, and I would run more often than teleporting in certain duels. The +'s to having both a high speed tele and desynch are phenomenal and worked exceptionally well. (say your opponent catches you: simply switch glitch and desynch from the duel, teleport some distance and continue the assault.. desynching before you tele throws off your true position during a duel, because of this, prediction of the teleport also becomes more difficult to pinpoint)




How can you treat poison as different from fire/lite/cold? Is it not unfair that a hit from blizzard with mass -resists knocks 95% of players life 1/4 to 1/2 to all? Not only that, it's 200 fg max to build a decent tal sorc (played well). The charms my zon used are not easy to come by.

I avoid the issue with a 4k life valk and 1-2k phys dmg base, high level passives, desynch, etc. (yes valk hits, yes people nl the valk 80% more often than the zon)



It really is, and not overly complicated like the ghost asn build.






Lies.



Most people aren't intelligent enough to do so. In such a case, the duel would rely on skill. Like I've said 350-700 arrows > a belt full of antidotes. + If I recognize an increase in life of any sort, or no damage being done (as psn will still affect life a considerable amount unless opponent is stacking antidote and using psn res and red equip I can switch to slow equipment and rely on phys dmg or heal. :/ This build was invented to be used against people who do not duel fairly, to expect me to duel fairly when you do everything in your power to fuck me over is ridiculous.





It fits the build perfectly. A full vita tele zon will not have the dex or equipment to back any physical damage build. Using 3/20/20s in this case would be foolish, the damage bonuses from the +3 max would not match those from poison.


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