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Jun 19 2022 12:37pm
Quote (doantiep @ Jun 18 2022 12:45pm)
when I said vita sorc can tank against 11-12 balls, thats when vita sorc has 5k2 life, not the 3k8-4k. With 3k8-4k life, its only 7. (~22k dmg fire balls)

- You decide to build vita sorc, you have higher advantage in tanking in SvS duel, but still have chance to lose, if you cant have a chance to end es sorc in 1 stomp, and let she trade hit. Against other class, you're weak, you lose the strongest ability of fire sorc, you cant tank against any class even with 5k2 life, and cant trade hit too because your dmg after res+abs is not high, and you cant regen. Even a bone Nec can win you, while with Es sorc, its like an auto win even Nec allowed to use hot spur. Thats a bad choice to build a vita sorc.
- Blizz sorc is another story, its like a glass canon build for sorc. Her skill point not enough to spend on Es and synergy. She sacrifies her hit trading ability to have huge dmg and res pierce. Thats a worthy sacrifice.
- Vita fire sorc sacrifies hit trading ability to have a bit higher life, but her dmg is still medium after res and abs, makes her weak against all other classes, not worthy at all.

So as I said, I will use obsession staff with es mana set up only against windy druid or trapsin, since oak die to fast & ez to be useful against those 2. 25% max life from staff will be good in these duels. Against other classes, I prefer hoto/spirit for rep life, mana, oak.



5.2k life is not just “a bit more” life than ES sorcs who max out at 2k life, it’s A LOT more, and it’s even a LOT more than what previous Vita sorcs could achieve. 10-11 FB hits is a LOT of hits. A good stomp will regularly hit at least 4-5 or more Fbs at once if you stack FB shots before the stomp, which means as a ES sorc you’re dead.

But when you say “even bone nec”, you’re forgetting that bone necs are one of the top classes in pvp. ES destroys necs but that’s it. ES dies very fast to all elemental damage - including trappers / hybrid sins, also top tier pvp classes. Vita is better vs sins than ES.

And you keep saying there’s a chance for ES to win vs vita - yet only one or two ESFB sorcs ever made it to the top of the ladder - all others were vita FB and vita Lightning.

With all that, ES is obviously better for SvA, no one is arguing otherwise. It’s a great tanky skill that works well in a lot of situations. I’m comparing vita 105 fber vs vita 200svs fber and asking if the huge life difference would make it viable in an otherwise poor matchup between fbers in svs.

Just remember that 25% life doesn’t add much when your base life as ES sorc is like 1-1.5k. You’re better off going with a MB shield setup or max mana setup depending on your ES %

This post was edited by AvanineCommuter on Jun 19 2022 12:42pm
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Jun 19 2022 01:11pm
The only reason to go obsession is because of the +3 skills on the staff.
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Jun 19 2022 01:15pm
Quote (P0OP @ Jun 19 2022 12:11pm)
The only reason to go obsession is because of the +3 skills on the staff.



Not the 25% max life? Huge resistance / FHR / FCR boost without need for 156 str for spirit?

This post was edited by AvanineCommuter on Jun 19 2022 01:15pm
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Jun 19 2022 01:17pm
Quote (AvanineCommuter @ 9 Jun 2022 16:37)
I recently did a test with Obsession for a 105 vita FBer and hit 23k FB with 5.2k life. Didn’t think that was possible for a sorc.

Although most Fbers play ESFB or 200fcr FB, I think this makes a good case for a 105 vitaballer.

Will Obsession be a possibility for other sorc builds? Did anyone test vita builds for lightning, nova, hydra, blizz, etc.?


Terrible idea
You might win svs duels
You lose everything else
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Jun 19 2022 01:46pm
Quote (Ognadibik @ Jun 19 2022 12:17pm)
Terrible idea
You might win svs duels
You lose everything else



That was the question - typically svs is 200fcr fber, maxing out at 4k ish life with top end perfect gear (most sit around 3.5-3.8k). Would a 5.2k life 105 vitaballer be competitive or not?

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Jun 19 2022 01:48pm
Quote (AvanineCommuter @ 19 Jun 2022 21:46)
That was the question - typically svs is 200fcr fber. Would a 5.2k life 105 vitaballer be competitive or not?


Yes, for svs its fine stats.
U would have to use griffon for 200 fcr tho
For 105fcr 6 fb orb is better
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Quote (Ognadibik @ Jun 19 2022 12:48pm)
Yes, for svs its fine stats.
U would have to use griffon for 200 fcr tho
For 105fcr 6 fb orb is better



Griffon is too much of a sacrifice in all ways to hit 200fcr for obsession fber. For 105 a 6fb orb is best for damage, but misses huge life boost from obsession.

I think an obsession vita lightning sorc would probably be best use of this in SvS? Since griffon will allow 117 fcr and still maintain massive life stats.

This post was edited by AvanineCommuter on Jun 19 2022 03:13pm
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Jun 20 2022 03:46am
es is still superior to vita @ svs lol
you just have to def nothing hard
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Quote (Sidgy @ Jun 20 2022 02:46am)
es is still superior to vita @ svs lol
you just have to def nothing hard



Sorry I don’t understand what you mean.
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