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Oct 9 2017 02:54pm
Quote (NickMan @ Oct 9 2017 09:51pm)
Antlers, Blade Bow aaand? Where is item #3?

You don´t go into detail on any of my questions or statements at all so this is getting pretty ridiculous right now


I already answered this genius

the chain gloves aren't shown because of the itemflood ..

in others words :

fixed rune drop : in this pattern, it's Ber
fixed randoms magic items : antlers, chain gloves, blade bow
fixed 5 additonal magic items : this obviously can vary. idk how many sets one pattern can produce, nor do I care lol

Man the next time someone find a Hr with a different junk drops like arrows instead of bolts, they will have to post here their new pattern ! LMAO

This post was edited by Melatonina on Oct 9 2017 02:56pm
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Oct 9 2017 03:02pm
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I already answered this genius

the chain gloves aren't shown because of the itemflood ..

in others words :

fixed rune drop : in this pattern, it's Ber
fixed randoms magic items : antlers, chain gloves, blade bow
fixed 5 additonal magic items : this obviously can vary. idk how many sets one pattern can produce, nor do I care lol

Man the next time someone find a Hr with a different junk drops like arrows instead of bolts, they will have to post here their new pattern ! LMAO


I can now follow your arguments better but data indicates that this is not how patterns work
This is why I ask you to show me any other pattern that is something like what you describe. It simply does not exist

You can also actually identify pattern matches better by stuff like arrows, thawing potion and so on (you will realize this yourself once you have taken a look at about 400 screens):
The new one contains arrows for example. All other 4 contain bolts - a "cluster problem" is very unlikely here because there is not 1 out of 4 screens showing arrows..



Edit:
Can we get some more opinions on this because either me or he or both of us are to narrow minded to get to conclusions

This post was edited by NickMan on Oct 9 2017 03:03pm
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Oct 9 2017 03:06pm
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I can now follow your arguments better but data indicates that this is not how patterns work
This is why I ask you to show me any other pattern that is something like what you describe. It simply does not exist

You can also actually identify pattern matches better by stuff like arrows, thawing potion and so on (you will realize this yourself once you have taken a look at about 400 screens):
The new one contains arrows for example. All other 4 contain bolts - a "cluster problem" is very unlikely here because there is not 1 out of 4 screens..


You seem to be a religious guy.

A bit of logic never hurts though

So there would be a well established Ber pattern with chain gloves, blade bow and antlers, and another pattern with just antlers, blade bow as fixed magic drops than nobody (excepted you OFC) discovered yet ?
after like trillions of bots running LK in 17 years ?



Quote (NickMan @ Oct 9 2017 10:02pm)
Can we get some more opinions on this because either me or he or both of us are to narrow minded to get to conclusions


No, it's just you and your delusional wish to find something new/look cool (idk)
Which could explain why you bought that 2k3 acc in the first place huhu

This post was edited by Melatonina on Oct 9 2017 03:09pm
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Oct 9 2017 03:10pm
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You seem to be a religious guy.

A bit of logic never hurts though

So there would be a well established Ber pattern with chain gloves, blade bow and antlers, and another pattern with just antlers, blade bow as fixed magic drops than nobody (excepted you OFC) discovered yet ?
after like trillions of bots running LK in 17 years ?

http://media0.giphy.com/media/xkYkgcptz3OmI/giphy.gif


Not religious at all

Yes, I am also trying to get something going here and I am still eager to find patterns

I did not find it myself btw I found it in an 3 years old thread after I have looked through 20-30 completed WT

There would be a fixed pattern for Ber with 8 items like this:
Antlers, Blade Bow, Small Shield, Chain Gloves, Wrist Spike, Crossbow, Stygian Pike
Antlers, Blade Bow, Small Shield, Chain Gloves, Stygian Pike
Antlers, Small Shield, Chain Gloves, Wrist Spike, Crossbow, Stygian Pike
Antlers, Blade Bow, Small Shield, Chain Gloves, Wrist Spike, Crossbow, Stygian Pike

Then there is a Ber pattern like this:
Antlers, Blade Bow, Horned Helm, Tyrant Club, Pike


Edit:
You think I would by Jsp accounts? Oh gauche dude xD

This post was edited by NickMan on Oct 9 2017 03:13pm
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Oct 9 2017 03:13pm
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Not religious at all
I did not find it myself. btw I found it in an 3 years old thread after I have looked through 20-30 completed WT

There would be a fixed pattern for Ber with 8 items like this:
Antlers, Blade Bow, Small Shield, Chain Gloves, Wrist Spike, Crossbow, Stygian Pike
Antlers, Blade Bow, Small Shield, Chain Gloves, Stygian Pike
Antlers, Small Shield, Chain Gloves, Wrist Spike, Crossbow, Stygian Pike
Antlers, Blade Bow, Small Shield, Chain Gloves, Wrist Spike, Crossbow, Stygian Pike

Then there is a Ber pattern like this:
Antlers, Blade Bow, Horned Helm, Tyrant Club, Pike


Edit:
You think I would by Jsp accounts? Oh gauche dude xD


Obv no one does it :rolleyes:

Whatever, you seem too delusional lol i work tomorrow but I'll be following thoses totally new Hrs patterns lmao :D ;) XD
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Oct 9 2017 03:16pm
Quote (Melatonina @ 9 Oct 2017 23:13)
Obv no one does it :rolleyes:

Whatever, you seem too delusional lol i work tomorrow but I'll be following thoses totally new Hrs patterns lmao :D ;) XD


Edit:
Btw where is the other pattern that is like this?


I openly admit that I joined these forums during the days that shall not be talked about during these days (I guess)
Hope you turn in sometime around again to tell me the next pattern matches an existing one because 1 out of 10 is identical
Cu soon

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Oct 9 2017 03:19pm
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Edit:
Btw where is the other pattern that is like this?


I openly admit that I joined these forums during the days that shall not be talked about during these days (I guess)
Hope you turn in sometime around again to tell me the next pattern matches an existing one because 1 out of 10 is identical
Cu soon


1/10 : 3/3 fixed ty correction bro
the guy just removed the chain gloves so you could post here I guess :lol:
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Oct 9 2017 03:25pm
Quote (Melatonina @ 9 Oct 2017 23:19)
1/10 : 3/3 fixed ty correction bro


Wat?

Quote (Melatonina @ 9 Oct 2017 23:19)
the guy just removed the chain gloves so you could post here I guess :lol:


Yeah.. Camowlin did this for me 3 years ago before I even read this subforum



Edit:
There is even a 5th screenshot of this pattern on page 77 of the same WT of Camowlin

7 of 8 items
No arrows, just bolts again


As I said before, at this point it would be great to hear other "qualified" opinions on this

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Oct 9 2017 09:36pm
Quote (NickMan @ Oct 9 2017 10:25pm)
Wat?



Yeah.. Camowlin did this for me 3 years ago before I even read this subforum



Edit:
There is even a 5th screenshot of this pattern on page 77 of the same WT of Camowlin
http://i.imgur.com/dZkPcBq.jpg
7 of 8 items
No arrows, just bolts again


As I said before, at this point it would be great to hear other "qualified" opinions on this


Dat fuckin chain gloves drop bro

Again it's the same fuckin pattern but you just want to see something different :p

Ber #1 Antlers, blade bow, chain gloves.

Could you be anymore delusional bro ?

Ber #1 Antlers Blade Bow Chain gloves
Ber #2 War Sword Wyrm Boots Ring
Ber #3 Brandistock Great Sword Light Belt

Show me a superchest drop in P7-8 that DOES NOT countain any of the listed items. Then you will have a new pattern. Not gonna happen though :)

This post was edited by Melatonina on Oct 9 2017 09:42pm
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Oct 10 2017 01:30am
There are no Chain Gloves at all. Currently it is you assuming that they are there. This won´t be provable at this point though

I am very skeptical towards new patterns and always try to find matches between them

Provable facts are that 2 out of 5 to 8 items match and out of 158 patterns there is just one other pattern that seems to behave the way you tried to describe (short range of "fixed items" and a completely variable range of "further items")

User from another forum - that actually has some valuable input on this topic - has a point on this that might lead to a new perspective:
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It was probably a locked chest. Awhile back it was found out that locked chests have a different pattern sequence because they go through an extra drop cycle. Each chest has a seed rolled (between 0-65536). But there is additional 2^16 potential patterns that occur under the 20% locked chest ratio. It would theoretically take:
100/20*(2^16)+(2^16 + ((2^16)*0.2)) = 668,468 runs
to reach all combinations.


I am trying wrap my head around this and try to identify other patterns that indicate that something like this is going on currently using this "20% locked chest ratio"

Well, at least this discussion leads to the insight that this will be hard to solve completely without more knowledge on drop possibilities, locked chests and cycled generation of patterns
For the start it would be good to know how many times a chest is locked? 1/5 (so 20%)?

Edit: I think I found it
According to Rune Finder Guide by Urlik (with info by Jarulf) the "Locked Chance" on "Super Objects" is 19% in LK
This would conclude that out of the 400 screens that I have so far, currently about 75 screens were taken from locked chests
Let´s see what we can do with this info..


Edit:
This is some info about drop generation for super chests. I just post it here so that I don´t lose it
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First, the game will check if the chest is locked, and if so, unlock it if you have a key or are an assassin.

Second, the game sets the number of drop cycles from the appropriate Chest TC to 2 if locked (up to 8 item drops), otherwise to 1 (up to 4 item drops).
Next, the game tests for a flag in the initialization routine. Special Chests always have this flag set. If it is set, there is a 5% chance that the game will make the desired quality of the drops rare, otherwise (95% chance) the desired quality will be magic. If the flag is not set there is no desired quality and the game will pick quality normally, applying MF and so on (Type I Ordinary Objects).

After that, the game will make a random chance to drop at all. 75% of the time it will drop. The other 25% of the time, it will only drop if the flag is set or if the chest was locked. Next, the game will make either 1 or 2 actual Chest TC drop cycles (depending on if it is locked or not), with a possible desired quality as mentioned above. If the object is a Special Chest AND none of the previous Chest TC drop cycles (1 or 2) passed a magical+ test, it will make up to 10 more Chest TC drop cycles with a possible desired quality as mentioned above. As soon as 1 of them passes a magical+ test, the 10 attempts are aborted.

Note: Empirical evidence suggests that most Special Chests stay that way and remain in the same place on the map; however, some may intermittently switch to behaving like a Type 1 Ordinary Object from run to run (I observed this in the Maggot Lair). I believe this behaviour is related to the initialization flag that Jarulf discovered. The conditions for how and when the flag is set need to be investigated further.


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