How do you have ar problem with conviction?

And in your death/loh/fort setup, i guess youre not using 2x dreams? because if you are you wont be able to hit 4 frame zeal. you are DEFINITELY not doing more damage than me if your speed isnt maxed



im not saying you dont kill demons faster. you will kill a demon in 9 seconds that takes me 10. and i will kill anything non demon in 10 seconds and it will take you 20. and i also have life tap and you dont.

self conv grief setup has slightly higher raw physical damage, much higher lightning damage, better conv range, infinite res stack (as your conv cancels out everything else), higher attack speed when decrepped/hfed. 50cb and a stronger hitting merc doesnt compesate it imo

Have you thought at all about grief of destruction for this build for the extra crushing blow?

you don't need the eth since you have conviction merc and hybrids are rampant right now.

Obviously if it gets patched and you put it in your guide then for future ladders it will be useless, but for now it's worth a mention.


What?

This post was edited by Marieusz on Aug 21 2015 09:32am

you are saying you have better physical damage with no fanat?

and your merc does more damage too without fanat on him?

and losing 50 cb is no big deal?

no. just stop.

and please stopping using the argument "when you get decrep" you are making yourself look desperate

i meant with self conv you always have conv on your enemies, while your infimerc can get lost somewhere in the corner of your screen (without teleport):P



yes, grief setup has higher phys damage:

death BA fana build ed:

200str + 160armor + 366zeal (lvl96 with 4pc sks and a bk) + 475fana + 230might = 1431

DS: 100%

raw physical damage: <(355death*15.31)*2>=10870

grief ed:

ed: 200str, 300fort, 342zeal (on lvl96 with 4pc sks), 230might, 345conc = 1417

DS: 71%

raw physical dam (against non daemons): <(437grief * 15.17)*1.71>= 11336 on avg

raw physical dam against demons: <(437grief * 20.47)*1.71>=15296 on avg


-no i said the fanat death setup has stronger merc, learn to read.



me too, that is why i'd run conv instead of fanat

This post was edited by Telefunken on Aug 21 2015 09:40am

im not going to change anything in my build to accomodate bugged and hacked items. if anyone wants to work out a setup using that grief of destruction or whatever then go ahead and do your theorycrafting and see how it goes. it might just be better than mine but im not interested in using hybrids

I dont understand the point of a dream zealer that doesnt maximize its aura damage.... holy shock really does fuck all damage without maxed conviction running in hell p8

This post was edited by 142751 on Aug 21 2015 09:39am

for pure holy shock build there are better builds than mine to maximize your lit damage. i consider my build more of a phys damage first build, with the thought that there would be no hat and shield i could use instead that would replace 7k lit damage to each swing

No one said you have to

We all just agree on one thing (except you) : Laying of hands is a better choice then draks, overall.

Fort is also a better choice then jewelers armor (wich is pretty expansive, unlike fort (rand)).

Ofocurse your build will work.. no one said it doesnt.. but that loh is better then draks, is a fact. (at least in most cases)

Well in all honesty the amount of damage you lose from wearing 2 dreams isnt gonna be worth it then. Youre better off using a holy freeze merc with infinity and just maximizing your zeal damage. Your build sounds like a lot of work with no reward unless you are just aiming for a gimic.