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#71
Aug 29 2014 06:35pm
Quote (UberMensh @ 30 Aug 2014 01:49)
Uh interesting post, thats just what i meant when i said an introduction like that would help outsiders to understand aow rules and get close to it. Just the 45dr cap should be ampliated, since you clearly have more gear flexibility with 50dr as cap ^^



I don't think you got what i wrote...
I never said "aow rules are stupid", i just said itd be interesting to add an introductive section where the reasons behind them are explained. You can see by yourself how many ppl criticize them so i feel that would help.

About edc, i just said that its useless to analyze a edc gear when its clearly inferior to botd. Its just worse than that , so the only reason to use it would be for "style" if somebody likes that. Then why don't we talk about a death ba build? Or some other unique axe too, they sure can be cool


Ah and btw, its not true that duels are more balanced when there is no grief around, it just means that you have to use botd if you cant afford a 10kfg axe, and that you will really rock if you buy a 100kfg one.
Same for forti, if you cant afford 5k fg for an armour you HAVE TO use enigma.
Thats just the opposite of being balanced, and these are facts ^^


you are out sirry,

its like i said bro.. read it again you will understand better. Im bad english but is clear i think.
400grief f300orti 50max dr is what in this AoW duels players dont want to. thats why other item options used.
so there will not be evryone with same bonuses of this runewords, so better duels balanced omfg..
there is BvB normal duels public where you can duel against oponents barbarian with any gear you build..

death runeword cannot be used in aow duels so no style builds or what you meant..
death cleaver is good axe not for the style omg..

This post was edited by Hamm on Aug 29 2014 06:36pm
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Aug 30 2014 02:14am
Quote (Hamm @ Aug 30 2014 02:35am)
you are out sirry,

its like i said bro.. read it again you will understand better. Im bad english but is clear i think.
400grief f300orti 50max dr is what in this AoW duels players dont want to. thats why other item options used.
so there will not be evryone with same bonuses of this runewords, so better duels balanced omfg..
there is BvB normal duels public where you can duel against oponents barbarian with any gear you build..

death runeword cannot be used in aow duels so no style builds or what you meant..
death cleaver is good axe not for the style omg..


I already answered everything you wrote in this post.
Read again my previous one, everything is in there so you probably didn't read it like you should have
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Aug 30 2014 02:24am
I am interested a bit more into tactics of BvB duels
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#74
Aug 30 2014 04:16am
Quote (UberMensh @ 30 Aug 2014 01:49)
I don't think you got what i wrote...
I never said "aow rules are stupid", i just said itd be interesting to add an introductive section where the reasons behind them are explained. You can see by yourself how many ppl criticize them so i feel that would help.

people who criticize PvP rules, don't get the sense of rules in general.
some people think "let them use what they want" .. but then it will get boring pretty fast.
they are fine like they are, if people don't like them they can still play GM FFA BvB .. or even BM FFA BvB in pubs, with all their hybrid rw's

Quote (UberMensh @ 30 Aug 2014 01:49)
About edc, i just said that its useless to analyze a edc gear when its clearly inferior to botd. Its just worse than that , so the only reason to use it would be for "style" if somebody likes that. Then why don't we talk about a death ba build? Or some other unique axe too, they sure can be cool

bibidi babidi bu! xD

EDC works fine,
if something is really inferior, than you rely only on your gear
sure, if your opponent play really good you are done.
but I saw people with "crap" barbs that slammed 50k+ fg barbs ^^

and death ba is the greatest crap wep for a WW build because of 0,00% ias

Quote (UberMensh @ 30 Aug 2014 01:49)
Ah and btw, its not true that duels are more balanced when there is no grief around, it just means that you have to use botd if you cant afford a 10kfg axe, and that you will really rock if you buy a 100kfg one.
Same for forti, if you cant afford 5k fg for an armour you HAVE TO use enigma.
Thats just the opposite of being balanced, and these are facts ^^



hm nah, that's not true. Enigma is still good.
I also know people that don't use Rare armors, even if they can afford them
Enigma is good as hell and in the right hands really hard to beat.

also 10k+ rare weps not always can beat botd.
they require a few stats to do.
especially 1 soc weps need Max dmg or min dmg to beat it imo.

This post was edited by Breee on Aug 30 2014 04:24am
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Aug 30 2014 05:22am
Quote (Breee @ Aug 30 2014 12:16pm)
people who criticize PvP rules, don't get the sense of rules in general.
some people think "let them use what they want" .. but then it will get boring pretty fast.
they are fine like they are, if people don't like them they can still play GM FFA BvB .. or even BM FFA BvB in pubs, with all their hybrid rw's


bibidi babidi bu! xD

EDC works fine,
if something is really inferior, than you rely only on your gear
sure, if your opponent play really good you are done.
but I saw people with "crap" barbs that slammed 50k+ fg barbs ^^

and death ba is the greatest crap wep for a WW build because of 0,00% ias




hm nah, that's not true. Enigma is still good.
I also know people that don't use Rare armors, even if they can afford them
Enigma is good as hell and in the right hands really hard to beat.

also 10k+ rare weps not always can beat botd.
they require a few stats to do.
especially 1 soc weps need Max dmg or min dmg to beat it imo.


I never said rules shouldnt exist, but they should be made for a reason. Else they are pointless.

No grief allowed is made to use other weapons... if you can afford them! Else everybody would just use botd and its the same single weapon thing. So why would it make the game more variable? Its just the same, or more expensive.
No forti -> enigma/rares/shaft are the 3 possibilities BUT a rare armor with crap def will lose to eni so its again the same thing: spend 5kfg or get the same old eni.
Dr capped at 45: its to make the eni-ss build lose to rares, or would it be there another reason? "Make the game more balanced" is pretty weak so im all ears.

I guess you guys rly don't get the edc thing...
Botd: 365avg, 15ds, 31cs -> 516avg
Edc: 269avg, 81ds, 31cs -> 502avg
Botd adds 60str/dex and 30vita -> ~ 720life
(Botd has 53ar as well btw)
So, why exactly would edc be compared to botd when it loses in both dmg and adds?
Ofc any barb can be beaten even with crappy gear but its not like ALL POSSIBLE WEAPONS should be listed, and thats why i wrote about death (which sucks ofc) but it seems the example was just too hard to understand...

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Aug 30 2014 05:38am
Quote (UberMensh @ 30 Aug 2014 13:22)
I never said rules shouldnt exist, but they should be made for a reason. Else they are pointless.

No grief allowed is made to use other weapons... if you can afford them! Else everybody would just use botd and its the same single weapon thing. So why would it make the game more variable? Its just the same, or more expensive.
No forti -> enigma/rares/shaft are the 3 possibilities BUT a rare armor with crap def will lose to eni so its again the same thing: spend 5kfg or get the same old eni.
Dr capped at 45: its to make the eni-ss build lose to rares, or would it be there another reason? "Make the game more balanced" is pretty weak so im all ears.

I guess you guys rly don't get the edc thing...
Botd: 365avg, 15ds, 31cs -> 516avg
Edc: 269avg, 81ds, 31cs -> 502avg
Botd adds 60str/dex and 30vita -> ~ 720life
(Botd has 53ar as well btw)
So, why exactly would edc be compared to botd when it loses in both dmg and adds?


i haven't made this rules, they were made by the whole community.. and before it was a Duelling League, for ALL CLASSES,
so I guess they had a really good reason to make the rules like that,
and no, in the past nearly EVERYONE used Eni + arreat, before the market got flooded by all these visio's and rare armors.
they are not made to Make Eni loose..


And I never said EDC is better than BOTD, I just said it works for AoW^^
if someone will USE it, is a totally different cup of tea.
also it is the 4. possible choice i noticed, so the worst choice
also, have to regarded the extra -12%def from edc? you can't see how they worked if you never tested it yourself.

I got many items in this guide that are barely used.. by a very few people
things like Eth Templars, Eth Skullders.

you can't argument with "why use it if something else is better" .. then i could cut everything that is weaker than Rare sa's & 2 soc fools weapons in this itemguide.

also I tested those items, except of the High dmg weapons.
I don't argument only with calculations.. because they are very often, very useless because of the game itself.
I wrote in here what I know and what I have seen.

also it is so annoying to see that people ALWAYS talk about gear, and not about BvB itself.
because BvB is more than simple PvP .. it's a community with which you can alot of fun acutally,
regardless if you loose or win.
Imo just use whatever you like the most and what doesn't break the rules.
I haven't seen something else used than SA's or AP's since months.
In the past people used more different kind of armors.
In the past people used zod'd fools weps.
this is getting more FFA than AoW like it was before anyway

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Aug 30 2014 05:50am
Quote (Alone @ 30 Aug 2014 09:24)
I am interested a bit more into tactics of BvB duels


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#78
Aug 30 2014 06:56am
Quote (Breee @ Aug 30 2014 01:38pm)
i haven't made this rules, they were made by the whole community.. and before it was a Duelling League, for ALL CLASSES,
so I guess they had a really good reason to make the rules like that,
and no, in the past nearly EVERYONE used Eni + arreat, before the market got flooded by all these visio's and rare armors.
they are not made to Make Eni loose..


And I never said EDC is better than BOTD, I just said it works for AoW^^
if someone will USE it, is a totally different cup of tea.
also it is the 4. possible choice i noticed, so the worst choice
also, have to regarded the extra -12%def from edc? you can't see how they worked if you never tested it yourself.

I got many items in this guide that are barely used.. by a very few people
things like Eth Templars, Eth Skullders.

you can't argument with "why use it if something else is better" .. then i could cut everything that is weaker than Rare sa's & 2 soc fools weapons in this itemguide.

also I tested those items, except of the High dmg weapons.
I don't argument only with calculations.. because they are very often, very useless because of the game itself.
I wrote in here what I know and what I have seen.

also it is so annoying to see that people ALWAYS talk about gear, and not about BvB itself.
because BvB is more than simple PvP .. it's a community with which you can alot of fun acutally,
regardless if you loose or win.
Imo just use whatever you like the most and what doesn't break the rules.
I haven't seen something else used than SA's or AP's since months.
In the past people used more different kind of armors.
In the past people used zod'd fools weps.
this is getting more FFA than AoW like it was before anyway


Nah, those rules were made just because rich people felt bad having their rare stuff with godly rolls outmatched by runewords. The whole "making the game more balanced" is just not true and thats plain obvious.
There are still many variables in normal bvb, but aow added an additional one: the amount of fg, which determines wether you can get an armor that can beat enigma or a weapon that can beat botd.
Does it make the game more interesting? I don't think so.

Ofc anybody can use whatever they want, but if you want effectiveness its obvious that some items will be discarded as there will always be "top tier" stuff.
Edc, eth unique armors, that stuff is apparently made useable in aow, but it actually falls behind so many other items that we're back to where we started: everybody uses the same items and the ones who cant afford gz weapons and 2700def sa will simply stay behind.
The second thing doesnt really happen in ffa, which is (btw) the reason why i prefer to play that kind of bvb.

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Aug 30 2014 07:07am
Quote (reyrol @ 30 Aug 2014 13:50)
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#80
Aug 30 2014 08:06am
Quote (UberMensh @ 30 Aug 2014 14:56)
Nah, those rules were made just because rich people felt bad having their rare stuff with godly rolls outmatched by runewords. The whole "making the game more balanced" is just not true and thats plain obvious.
There are still many variables in normal bvb, but aow added an additional one: the amount of fg, which determines wether you can get an armor that can beat enigma or a weapon that can beat botd.
Does it make the game more interesting? I don't think so.

Ofc anybody can use whatever they want, but if you want effectiveness its obvious that some items will be discarded as there will always be "top tier" stuff.
Edc, eth unique armors, that stuff is apparently made useable in aow, but it actually falls behind so many other items that we're back to where we started: everybody uses the same items and the ones who cant afford gz weapons and 2700def sa will simply stay behind.
The second thing doesnt really happen in ffa, which is (btw) the reason why i prefer to play that kind of bvb.


top stuff in this game today for Pvp are Griefs{Fortis{Faiths{Faiths Of Ice{Griefs of Destruct{Griefs of Doom{Beasts of Doom{Bugs tal{Bugs belt{Zod bugs{etc..
in aow it is not allowed this all, so zou are still not right that aow is onlz for rich people..
there is Botd Enigma Storm combo not rich and one of best..

general Bvb is using more things as Aow duels, so you can build different if you like there.. orpublic Bvb you can use evrything..

so stop critics.. do your things not cry only..
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