Yas guide are gr9 blabla but now tell who winned!?

What did you expect? This is after all an open forum and not restricted to BvBers only.

You've already gotten some constructive criticism which you brushed of and didn't give two shits about. Behavior like this will only hurt the topic as people will feel it's just another +1 topic as it doesn't matter what they say, you still don't care.

My friend, THIS:



was the only useful Post for me today.
everything else was about rules/skills, which is not content of this topic.


This post was edited by Breee on Jun 30 2014 08:06am

you can understand that the neophytes are perplexed concerning the rules... Yet the rules say alot about your philosophy : max 45% dr/max 100 frw allowed ? isn't it a way to restrain eni build ? to generalize non-eni builds especially SA builds ? aren't SA expansive compared to eni ? and then isn't AoW reserved to wealthy players ? You'll argue that there are "cheap alternatives" but we both know that you won't be as much competitive.

compared to SA, Eni is already fast as hell and hard to play.

Eni is a Strong AND cheap armor.. Eni was used by nearly everyone in the past

AoW isn't only for rich people, BvB isn't only for rich people
BvB is not only about the Duels.. it's much about the community.
because we are one of the communities in which we respect, trust and help each other.. I'd give anything for the BvB's i know.

also it seems to be one of the last remaining PvP communities beside a few others, that remained like it is and was.
and still it get the most critism for no real reason.

I think this is fair criticism. 6K damage after pvp = 1K damage. - 50% dr = 500 damage. 45% dr the arbitrary standard = 450 , its like no difference in practice/play except that it serves as an item barrier that reduces viable builds and makes it harder to create a character to try playing in this league. How this was decided on as a standard I couldnt say.

enigma saves some life from stats, but all good whirlers should be aware that speed is bad since it takes you out of wep range easier and you often miss hit checks. I always pass on increased speed and use SA on my "normal" bvbs (by normal I mean a simple basic cubed fort armor, 50% dr and grief wep that's readily available for us peons without 50K fg for those eth repair rare weps ).


Anyhoot , while I think the rules are arbitrary, I think we're all getting outside the point of the thread which is a very specific league with very specific item requirements. It's clear that discussion of the logic of their rules isnt whats intended from the original post, and its meant only to show what their rules are. If a bunch of rich barb players want to make up special play to justify their "1337" items that's fine and totally their business.


I enjoy bvb when it's not handicapped with all these funky rules (and I do agree with no hybrid runewords , no hax)

This post was edited by Master_Zappy on Jun 30 2014 08:41am

Bvb is more fun than fpk with oak.

The Speed is a good weapon. Noone can beat a really good Eni player

btw.. noone needs 50 k fg Eth rep fools weps.. if you got one it is nice and you got it because you love it, not because it is "the strongest"

Perf botd for 150 fg is nearly the strongest weapon you can buy for AoW.. better weps are WAY more expensive

as you can read in the Guide, nearly nothing can beat Botd.. it is just too strong^^
Even my Top fools CB can barely compete with botd

Eni, arreat, storm, steelrend, gores, angelics TO belt, 9x 40+ / mastery skillers + some ar/ life scs,
then you got an AoW that CAN win alot if you are able to play it




Also we discuss about personal taste xD
everyone prefers different pvp XD
we can discuss years about BvB

This post was edited by Breee on Jun 30 2014 08:56am

the AoW rules are way older than all this imported 50k_fg_fancy_weapons, 2sock ethselfrep SAs and all these 5bo/2sock/50+life visios, as several people already statted here:
-you can use enigma (sure, SA is fine as well, if you want to counter the frw a bit)
-you can use stormshield (if you are on budget, a simple 40/9 will do the job, trust me)
-you can use verdungos (hey, you dont even need perfect one...)
-you can use steelrends (no need for perfect ones at all, but if perf items make them go hard - let them use all the perfs lol...)
-you can use upped gores (these have always been standard for pretty much every bvb barb...)
-you can use arreats (upped one with good def roll and a simple 40/9 will do the job, you dont have to use 5bo visio with high life and 2 sock)
-you can use botd (sure if you have some fancy "50kfgfoolsweapon" use it - but you absolutely dont have to, a "simple" botd will do the job)
-you can use 3/15/19+ scs (as far as i remember bearfoot 322s was banned back in time, due to mass duping pre 1.10, i would ban all the other mass duped 322s with other gfx along with the obviously mass duped 29/59/9/9 jewels... thats not what Aow BvB was standing for!!!)

as you can see, you can use very common "standard gear" and you will do fine, it has nothing to do with "a bunch of rich barb players want to make up special play to justify their "1337" items" - again, the AoW rules are older than most users of jsp nowadays....
as long as you like barbs, and like bvb duels (like countless other people in the past have loved SvS, DvD, SvS, HvH etc) you can and will have fun even with "cheap" barb.