ps u need 4750 life to tank 3 hammers on hdin (or 2x hammers + 2-3 fohs)

w/ 4.2k life u'd die in 2 hits :/

My build goes for around:

Oni – 65% FCR Statistics Summary:

• 4700+ life
• 4700+ Whirlwind Damage (Chaos), 3600+ Whirlwind Damage (Fools)
• 10,000+ Attack Rating (Chaos), 20,000+ Attack Rating (Fools)
• 37% Deadly strike (DS) for both claws
• 23% Critical strike (CS) for both claws
• 25% Open Wounds (Chaos), 50% Open Wounds (Fools)
• 200+ Mind blast Damage (Unblockable damage)
• 50% Damage reduction (DR)
• 61-62% Weapon Block
• 27% and 48% FHR Breakpoints (Multiple setups)



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This post was edited by Azn Masta on Mar 24 2012 11:03pm

i dont think many people could reach those stats . That sin is about 50x more expensive than mine. Alll str/ life gear, gclaws, gfg visionaries and apparently a 2os eth repair feral fools? (def an upgrade form the last time we talked sins, nice find) . here's my build in hero editor, replacing my circlet with a 30/20 viso. and replacing my 36ar's with 3/20/20's. chaos side has 12k ar. it would be more of a fair comparison with your sin.


This post was edited by Skibum on Mar 25 2012 02:46am

Cmon Skibum, comment on this
Isn't the 2 skills just 6x max/ar/life SC ?
Frw glitching experience ?
Circlet/guillaume comparison ?
Tnx

I wouldn't try comparing your sin to his bro, they are somewhat designed for different reasons.. but no hate - I would take his build > yours.

no one likes you aznmasta go away.

This post was edited by JaredV on Mar 25 2012 12:52pm

Why do you feel the need to make sure everyone knows how much better your items are? You must have a small dick or somethin

Hehehe...
Anyways he should change his "10k ar chaos" into 8.6k...cheater -.-

i don't think those were his intentions, he was showing that you can get > 4.75k life while still attaining decent ar. And 4.7k does allow for more breathing room against' v/t's. I do rely on clawblock and staying out of conviction's range to avoid getting chipped away by foh.


yes
hidden frw = desynched ww's.
well, i dont have the math on this one. But damage wise, it's going to be much the same as replacing sdancers with gores. your going to be losing 2 skills, and about 25 stats, and a bit more ar. so I'd imagine your goign to be at about 5-10% less damage.. but it does have a healthy % of crushing blow. which is a tricky one to calculate, so idk about that one. i guess I could make a formula to try to average out crushing blow dmg.

/e i forgot about socketing it.. you can socket it and recoup the losses (except for ar if u have a viso), so it will be nearly on par dmg wise. i suppose i could check this one.. sec.
2-5% less damage, 1k ar less, idk about crushing blow. cblow would make up the 2-5% dmg, so it's useful at the loss of 65fcr

This post was edited by Skibum on Mar 25 2012 02:44pm

I do understand that 10k ar 'suffices' but there is something about that logic that I dislike, why not go for 'optimal' instead? Since the Angelic's combo will increase your damage output when the enemy's defense is high then what is the point of using Highlord's in the first place? The only situations Angelic's does this in is vs Paladins/Barbs where I prefer to use Gores anyway.



I would say the same thing again here, I don't really have any problems per say about catching stuff with 65 fcr, I just feel that 102 is a superior option in certain match-ups. Anyway, I agree that the best thing to do is to try it out for yourself, so that's all I can ask you to do.



I've personally not used less than 1200 mana for about 2 years now, I would really recommend it because stuff is way easier to chase after when you don't have to smash mana pots every 3 seconds (plus you lose tons of damage when you do tele or DoD chains and end up running out of mana when you should have hit them, which really sucks, whereas giving up a few dmg scs does not actually lower your damage output by much). Anyway if you find that amount of mana works for you than that's cool, I just personally got irritated of hearing "I need mana" every 2 seconds when chasing someone lol.



I feel as if shadow never casts MB enough, regardless of what I do, so I think that it's best to max MB since the less you have to personally mb them the more options you have and the safer you can play while chasing. I'm actually not entirely sure of how it works either, I just know that I want to do everything in my power to optimise how often it casts MB since it can be very inconsistent (I end up having it never mb when I want it to, then it starts mb'ing them 10 times in a row when I don't need it to).

Anyway there is a lot about this guide that I do like, I love how you included str bug set-ups which is something that bugs me a lot about Bui's guide, I like how you use 27 fhr (I also feel as if 48 is too much and prefer the life boost from charms), I like that you stat extra dex because of how Claw Mastery works, and I agree with Max that it's a good thing that you are willing to examine things by yourself and choose your preference. Overall a good job, all I can really do is nitpick and try to argue from my preferences. Good work.

This post was edited by Tails chao on Mar 25 2012 02:42pm

Could I self glitch with anni helltorch and 10 chaos str...I don't understand the mechanics. It would be cool if flashing the chaos would help, since I already WSM bug.
I'll try google, but if someone has the link, feel free to paste.