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Leagues ban slow yeah, but they also ban pretty much all of the 1.10 runewords as well. A 1.10+ BvC is not nearly as effective with League rules [though, BvCs were still monsters in 1.09 due to how the game mechanics were], with the loss of teleport hurting them severely.

FCR rings >>> Ravens in 1v1s. There is no doubt about that [unless your opp is either 1) Cold sorc or 2) Hdin and you need the extra +dex in order to use a widow]. Ravens are mostly superior facing multiple opponents, but even then it is dependent on who you're dueling.

Switching Dracs for Trangs to reach the 37% BP is not a good idea. You lose the massive OW% that Dracs give. Gores only give 10%, which doesn't quite cover it.

Also, try to avoid mixing and matching rings. It's either 2x FCR rings, 2x Ravens, 2x Angelics.. etc. 1 Rave and 1 Angelic, for example, is not nearly as useful as 2x Angelics.

Like I said, the only extra thing you really need is +max res, like tgods or something. Wisps/Dwarfs are a little overkill.

Don't worry about AR unless it's against high def pallys/barbs. Everything else can really just be hit with FCR rings.

If you have any other questions/points to bring up, feel free to post them.


ive dueled some with bvc's on both euscl and euscnl, my prefered setup in pubgames tend to be:
coa, enigma, arach, gores, grief, beast, highlords, 2*raven, draculs.

this is best allround setup imo (from what i have tried out myself) i only change this setup when dueling some really good oponents (2*raven vs 2*fcr rings) when dueling necros, firesorcs, lightsorcs (1*raven+fcr ring) vs orbsorc i know that this doesent make me reach any higher fcr bp than when im using 2*raven but everybody that tried this knows that when using 2*raven u can tank LOTS of orbs and that makes the match unfair. i also change some stuff when dueling hammerdins and other barbs. the rason i use this is that i can still catch most oponents and have enough ar to hit hammerdins and smiters etc.

using dual fcr rings gives u a huge advantage vs many classes, but u can still beat most of them without it, and using gores instead of resboots gives lower res and fhr but adds alot of damage and higher chance to strike a ow-hit.

there is many different setups possible to use with a bvc, all of them have different pros and concerns, and what setups u should use is a matter of playstyle and what characters u think u have most problems dealing with.

this guide is an overall good guide and if someone follows this guide they get a good character but to make it perfect u have to make the last shaping urself to make it to ur own killingmachine matching ur skills and needs.


i found trang gloves better in pubs, 20fcr is slow like stupid 99fcr druid


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Leagues ban slow yeah, but they also ban pretty much all of the 1.10 runewords as well. A 1.10+ BvC is not nearly as effective with League rules [though, BvCs were still monsters in 1.09 due to how the game mechanics were], with the loss of teleport hurting them severely.

FCR rings >>> Ravens in 1v1s. There is no doubt about that [unless your opp is either 1) Cold sorc or 2) Hdin and you need the extra +dex in order to use a widow]. Ravens are mostly superior facing multiple opponents, but even then it is dependent on who you're dueling.

Switching Dracs for Trangs to reach the 37% BP is not a good idea. You lose the massive OW% that Dracs give. Gores only give 10%, which doesn't quite cover it.

Also, try to avoid mixing and matching rings. It's either 2x FCR rings, 2x Ravens, 2x Angelics.. etc. 1 Rave and 1 Angelic, for example, is not nearly as useful as 2x Angelics.

Like I said, the only extra thing you really need is +max res, like tgods or something. Wisps/Dwarfs are a little overkill.

Don't worry about AR unless it's against high def pallys/barbs. Everything else can really just be hit with FCR rings.

If you have any other questions/points to bring up, feel free to post them.


ive dueled some with bvc's on both euscl and euscnl, my prefered setup in pubgames tend to be:
coa, enigma, arach, gores, grief, beast, highlords, 2*raven, draculs.

this is best allround setup imo (from what i have tried out myself) i only change this setup when dueling some really good oponents (2*raven vs 2*fcr rings) when dueling necros, firesorcs, lightsorcs (1*raven+fcr ring) vs orbsorc i know that this doesent make me reach any higher fcr bp than when im using 2*raven but everybody that tried this knows that when using 2*raven u can tank LOTS of orbs and that makes the match unfair. i also change some stuff when dueling hammerdins and other barbs. the rason i use this is that i can still catch most oponents and have enough ar to hit hammerdins and smiters etc.

using dual fcr rings gives u a huge advantage vs many classes, but u can still beat most of them without it, and using gores instead of resboots gives lower res and fhr but adds alot of damage and higher chance to strike a ow-hit.

there is many different setups possible to use with a bvc, all of them have different pros and concerns, and what setups u should use is a matter of playstyle and what characters u think u have most problems dealing with.

this guide is an overall good guide and if someone follows this guide they get a good character but to make it perfect u have to make the last shaping urself to make it to ur own killingmachine matching ur skills and needs.


i found trang gloves better in pubs, 20fcr is slow like stupid 99fcr druid


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20% FCR is annoying. It's just slow. On W NL you run into 200 FCR sorcs/125 necs all the time, and 20% simply doesn't cut it. 40% and above is preferred.

Seriously though, it's basically the same as the pub setup I listed, except instead of trangs and res boots you're using Dracs and gores. 20% is fine if you're dueling people that are slow and/or stupid, but there are always times where good duelers visit pubs, and then you'll have to head back to the stash to get your Trangs. Why bother when you can just have Trangs equipped the entire time?

A pub setup is mainly designed around survival against multiple types of damage, not for max damage output [which Gores and Dracs are for].

Edit: And your resists take a beating using gores/trangs as well. Resistances using that setup:
    Anni - 20
    Torch - 20
    CoA - 30
    Highlords - 35 light
    FHR scs [if you have them] - 20~ res all
    Natural resist. - 58~

= 148 res all [including Anya {which you should NEVER do} gives 178] and 183 light res.

Subtract 100 for the Hell penalty, and you're looking at 48 resist all. And that's if you have perfect gear [of the gear I listed, obviously if you're full of life/res SCs your totals would be different], which not everyone has. This means any fireball, poison, and cold [though cold is generally stack-specific] will rape you with your low resists. Rape you FAST. Just use res boots.

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What would you think of a +2wc, 10+ias, 2os, lifetap charges ba. Socketed with 2* 40/15s you could hit the last ias bp for ww. Or would the damage be just way too low for it to be effective?
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Yeah, the damage would be really low. :\

At most I'd say socket it with UMs or something and so on the off chance that you hit something while WWing with it [which should be rare, if for no other reason that you shouldn't generally be WWing with it] you'll trigger OW, which isn't dependent on the weapons damage.
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Just a question; Does the higher dmg of Grief overcome the ias, dual leech, and 30 attributes on BoTD? huh.gif
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Just a question; Does the higher dmg of Grief overcome the ias, dual leech, and 30 attributes on BoTD? huh.gif


ias is usless, leech helps only vs druid but ur dmg will suck
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Just a question; Does the higher dmg of Grief overcome the ias, dual leech, and 30 attributes on BoTD? huh.gif


ias is usless, leech helps only vs druid but ur dmg will suck


Why is ias useless? More ias = bigger chance to hit more? Or am i wrong? :S
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Just a question; Does the higher dmg of Grief overcome the ias, dual leech, and 30 attributes on BoTD? :huh:


ias is usless, leech helps only vs druid but ur dmg will suck


Why is ias useless? More ias = bigger chance to hit more? Or am i wrong? :S


You are wrong.

IAS has certain breakpoints. The last breakpoint for Whirlwind is reached at 34% IAS on zerkers and thus any more IAS is useless.

As for the +30 stats, you only gain 60 mana and 120 more life but you lose 60% damage.

Then the dual leeches, both useless as leech is nerfed in PvP
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