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Sep 8 2008 07:37am
Dont forget Spirit has a shitload of FHR on it as well (I cba to look up barbs fhr tables, but still wink.gif ). Never seen a 10 fcr dual leech 1x str 1x dex ring? tongue.gif.
I'd make one of these right away (I've been longing for some weird char lately), but I just read about faith - will have to postpone it hehe smile.gif. In the mean time I guess I can continue perfecting my javazon - I manage to kill diablo cs in baalrun games just before baal goes down biggrin.gif (well not every single time, but getting there biggrin.gif ).

Very nice build tho, thanks for really nice read
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Sep 8 2008 10:54am
Quote (Caulder10 @ Mon, Sep 8 2008, 02:25pm)
Are you still rambling on with senseless BS about a build you know nothing about? With your poor excuse for logic. You are not trying to get max block, so get that out of your head, 40% block while teleing is all he needs. This isnt a pvp melee barb using a shield.
All your suggestions have been tried and failed in previous builds of this barb. This is hands down the most successful build option there is. John has spent over 2 seasons worth of time working on this build and has taken it to lvl 98 and lvl 99 100% legit.
Using spirit and hoto he already reaches the fcr bp of 105. So yet again your "logic" is failing you.

Just STFU before you looks as dumb as Ultima1


fhr only kicks in if you loose a certain amount of your life and you`ve got lots of that as barb
+ you have enough fhr on your helmet for your purposes

@ caulder10
what is better...
not having to block at all
or a 40% chance to block without any fbr...........
does that barb need any block at all while he ports.....

dualhoto will also mean that you reach the cap with the eq... but you will have more life,more dex in your fightslot
more resis in your teleslot and so on, without spirit

next time you try anything, back up your statements with some facts and put your money where your mouth is.........
by the way

using cuss words only shows that you don`t have any real arguments you can rely on....

pretty weak in a decent discussion...
grow up

This post was edited by Ancalagon on Sep 8 2008 10:56am
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Sep 8 2008 11:10am
Alright, Ancalagon, since I'm completely ignorant of a character that I had in level 98 when it reset, and then took 1-99 in like 50 days; you're right.
Just do me a favor, make your godly superior build that you have never tried, and go chaos in Caulder's runs. Let me know if you ever get D out by wave 1.
I said this build is at level 92, not 90. 92 is a very, very low level that can be reached in a few hours of play. If you say other wise, then you should never make this barb since the whole point is to take it to 99. If you struggle at 92, your F'd when it comes to getting to 99.
So, anyway, there is more str. Plus, you said 30 str from anni/torch? You clearly must have no read this guide, as it says 38+. So there you are, at 156 str for a spirit monarch, with base str.
Also, using dual hotos is zerk barb only. It sucks more than you could ever imagine to NEVER have a block available when chaosing/baaling/nih; but you don't know this, I guess, since you've never made this character.
You are saying ar is worthless pretty much. How are you going to kill faster with like +400 damage a hit if you're doing hits over 20k? This 400 per hit will magically make you save a whole hit? Sure, it will. /sarcasm +What does it matter if you have to throw one more time? That saves you 1/6 of a second? Godly.
Your idea of taking off Arreat's is about as dumb as not maxing cold mastery on a cold sorc.
With you helm suggestion, you are back to not having the str you were just crying about, it has no resistance that you are trying to say is needed while teleporting/bo-ing when your resistance is already stacked, you lose dex (damage/ar/block, which you cried about), you lose 20% bonus, you lose having maxed resistance while not using switch, you lose +2 barb skills (and didn't you just say dual hoto so you could have +1 more bo? This would mean -2 bo), +2 combat skills (ar, +leap radius), you would lose your life leech, you'd lose defense...you can't really be serious about this.
Also, losing 2 into howl from this means 2 more points into it, and 4 more points into leap. AKA: wasting 6 skill points.
Seriously, stop posting and wasting everyone's time.
I welcome all thought out comments/suggestions, but please stop rambling on about horrible ideas.


Quote (Neuuubeh @ Mon, Sep 8 2008, 09:37am)
Dont forget Spirit has a shitload of FHR on it as well (I cba to look up barbs fhr tables, but still wink.gif ). Never seen a 10 fcr dual leech 1x str 1x dex ring? .
I'd make one of these right away (I've been longing for some weird char lately), but I just read about faith - will have to postpone it hehe smile.gif. In the mean time I guess I can continue perfecting my javazon - I manage to kill diablo cs in baalrun games just before baal goes down biggrin.gif (well not every single time, but getting there biggrin.gif ).

Very nice build tho, thanks for really nice read
Yea, I've seen rings like that, but dual leech isn't needed for this. It's trying to get a fcr ring with high ar/dex/poison resistance that is hard to get, believe or not; as I made an iso for it 2 weeks before the character was started, and I'm 99 now without it. lol

Hope you can get one ready soon and enjoy it...I know I did! smile.gif
Glad you enjoyed tready the guide.

Quote (Neuuubeh @ Mon, Sep 8 2008, 09:15am)
Make a video of a chaos run please . Get some other program to save the feed or buy a new pc if you have to, I really wanna see this biggrin.gif.
Might try make one myself on euscl biggrin.gif
I tried video-ing it doing ubers. My fps drops to like 5 and it takes like waaaay longer than it normally does.
Just follow the steps I listed on the guide for how to chaos.
Remember, playing a character to chaos with at fast speed takes practice, especially with a throw barb, as you will need to become expereinced on how exactly to position yourself and your merc, along with where to be standing to get the most out of you howl and leap.


Oh, and this is for you, Ancalagon:
Guillaume's Face:
Defense: 217 (Base Defense: 85-98)
Required Level: 34
Required Strength: 115
Durability: 40
+120% Enhanced Defense
+30% Faster Hit Recovery
15% Deadly Strike
35% Chance of Crushing Blow
+15 To Strength

Quote (Ancalagon @ Mon @ 8 Sep 2008, 11:09)
he is probably at what
144% ed from his merc
160ish from double throw
120ish from mastery
75 from str
55ish from dex

which means that gulli = ~ 105% additional ed for his shrikes
and ~ 155% additional off weapon ed for the lacerators
+ another 25% from the additional str


1) Str doesn't effect your throwing damage. Are you really that stupid?
2) We have 74 base dex...where are you getting 55 from? Total dex is like 140 (varies based on ring).
3) Even though str adds damage, Guillaume's Face only adds 15 vs arreat's 20; not 25.
4) Please, shut the hell up saying this and that, when you have proven you do not understand the game mechanics behind a throw barb, and when you say to use items because of stats that you are listing wrong; you are incoherently rambling on about things and just saying numbers, making it hard to respond to your post trying to follow your gibberish.

Quote (Da_JesuF @ Mon, Sep 8 2008, 06:09am)
BLOW YOUR ALL OMG!!
This is one of the best guides i have seen!
Never tryed it out because i havnt seen any guides there was good.. but this! omg! im making it ladder, and i starts right now! LVL 99T/barb here i come!
Ty for best guide @ d2jsp. <3
Thanks, I've worked hard on perfecting this character.
I'm glad you enjoyed it.

Also, when you kill someone that randomly hostiles you, make sure you rub it in their face that you are a throw barb; it makes them so mad. biggrin.gif

Also, I almost forgot to mention one of the most important things!
When someone ask you what kind of barb you are, saying find potion. laugh.gif People will be asking how do you kill and it gets really funny. biggrin.gif




Quote (Ancalagon @ Mon, Sep 8 2008, 12:54pm)
fhr only kicks in if you loose a certain amount of your life and you`ve got lots of that as barb
+ you have enough fhr on your helmet for your purposes

@ caulder10
what is better...
not having to block at all
or a 40% chance to block without any fbr...........
does that barb need any block at all while he ports.....

dualhoto will also mean that you reach the cap with the eq... but you will have more life,more dex in your fightslot
more resis in your teleslot and so on, without spirit

next time you try anything, back up your statements with some facts and put your money where your mouth is.........
by the way
I'll be glad to back this all up.

If you have ever played a character with the ability to teleport with at least the 9 frames per cast (and we're at 8...a faster speed), you would know you never get hit while teleporting, and you don't get fhr/fbr locked in mobs.
The spirit is for while you are standing still so that you can block some if sitting somewhere (40% block is essentially 40% dr, if you think about it).
A hoto isn't going to help your resistance, they are already stacked enough.
Even with using your non-maxed out primary side, I've killed groups of souls with conviction many times.

This post was edited by Morholt on Sep 8 2008 11:34am
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Sep 8 2008 11:24am
great guide since i low throwers

5) Dexterity for a throw barb is the same way as a bow zon. It will not only increase attack rating and defense, but also your damage! This is why we raised our base dexterity and use some charms with dexterity.


this is wrong.

throw weaps get 50%/50% dmg from str/dex.

i might be misstaken but i think i read is somewhere.
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Sep 8 2008 11:25am
lol

my eth lacerator and warshrike last season are the exact same as the ones in ur pic

i considered using nigma but thought the loss of damage would suck, good to see it works

nice guide
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Sep 8 2008 11:35am
Funny guide actually. But i wish you where on eu realm.
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Quote (ReanimatedHorde @ Mon, Sep 8 2008, 01:24pm)
great guide since i low throwers

5) Dexterity for a throw barb is the same way as a bow zon. It will not only increase attack rating and defense, but also your damage! This is why we raised our base dexterity and use some charms with dexterity.


this is wrong.

throw weaps get 50%/50% dmg from str/dex.

i might be misstaken but i think i read is somewhere.
How is that wrong? Yea, it isn't pure dex only, but I didn't mean to say it is the same rate. Just meant ar/def/damage; guess I could have been clearer on this. ><
But still, how can you justify adding an str? wink.gif
Can get the same damage by adding dex while getting ar/def/blocking.


Quote (yepz @ Mon, Sep 8 2008, 01:25pm)
lol

my eth lacerator and warshrike last season are the exact same as the ones in ur pic

i considered using nigma but thought the loss of damage would suck, good to see it works

nice guide
Hehe, crazy coincidence, eh?
And, yep, the enigma is sexy to use. smile.gif



EDIT: oh, and in response to the constant "lacks piercing" thing:
You get crap for exp be from the little side things; they are insignificant.
Also, if you pierced a hit, you could hit something and likely cast amplify damage, stopping the effect of howl.

And if you were to use piercing items, you still haven't said how you intend to supplement your fcr to stay at 105 fcr.
Aside from using dual wizardspikes, but then you lose 5 skills, meaning -5 leap/howl (important), and lowers your bo level, which you were complaining about trying to say switch the spirit for a hoto.
Seriously, make up your mind.


Quote (ROMfkd @ Mon, Sep 8 2008, 01:35pm)
Funny guide actually. But i wish you where on eu realm.
Pfft, who said I don't?
I have a level 8 sorceress on there that is still in act1, I'll have you know! (I really do. lol)

This post was edited by Morholt on Sep 8 2008 11:46am
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Sep 8 2008 04:53pm
i am almost level 60. can you post up 60-99?
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Quote (greekgk @ Mon, Sep 8 2008, 06:53pm)
i am almost level 60. can you post up 60-99?
Uuh, not really sure where we left all the skill levels at, but:
after bo/mastery is maxed, raise double swing to 15, raise double throw to 14, finish maxing double swing, then get leap and howl to 8 and 9, respectively.
This will then leave you at 92.
Refer back to the skills section of the guide for what to do with any more skills you gain after hitting 92.
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Sep 8 2008 05:42pm
Only thing I hate about this barb is the slow from arachs, when topping baal i could just chill and have a drink while my mercs snare kicked in, but he'd go nuts with you(I tested it with skittle, and it was indeed the slow from the arachs) I guess you didn't have arachs yet when i topped with you at lvl 96 lol

Jokes aside, vouch everything about this barb, the 40 second chaos no hacks etc. I should know, I was one of those sorcs tongue.gif (And I didn't use maphack or anything to hit 99) Solid chaoser, no deaths (Unlike Macavelli)

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